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Title: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: triptamean on January 22, 2019, 11:59:10 PM
Hey everyone. I found a stone when I went walking a few weeks ago in Lamington National Park. I would love your help identifying it.

https://imgur.com/f15IFq5 (https://imgur.com/f15IFq5)
https://imgur.com/JbUxsiI (https://imgur.com/JbUxsiI)
https://imgur.com/SqA7erp (https://imgur.com/SqA7erp)
https://imgur.com/zttUtVn (https://imgur.com/zttUtVn)
https://imgur.com/SCLaJ48 (https://imgur.com/SCLaJ48)

Do you know what it is?

I also uploaded a video showing the stone.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDcuhqcDdd0&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDcuhqcDdd0&feature=youtu.be)

Thanks!
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: Jimnyjerry on January 23, 2019, 07:35:10 AM
Looks like a chalcedony lined cavity.
Presume it was not found in the National Park. See link.
https://www.qld.gov.au/recreation/activities/areas-facilities/fossicking/rules/designated-areas (https://www.qld.gov.au/recreation/activities/areas-facilities/fossicking/rules/designated-areas)

Cheers,Jerry
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: triptamean on January 23, 2019, 12:17:38 PM
Cheers for that Jerry
I didn't mention it but I wasn't fossicking. I literally noticed the stone on the path as I was walking. It stood out to me. It was much dirtier than it is in those photos, but I could tell that it was a special stone :)
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: harryopal on January 23, 2019, 12:46:36 PM
JimmnyJerry have hit it on the head, I think. And no, I wouldn't see it as lace agate.
Australian law defines fossicking as "[/size]the gathering of minerals as (a) a recreation."[/color]



You stand in the dock pleading, "I wasn't fossicking. I just picked up this stone."


And at that the prosecutor says, "Hah my Lord. So we have it on his own admission that he was on a recreational activity and the simple fact of picking up the stone with intent shows clearly that the defendant was fossicking.


"As a deterrent to others we ask that your Honour give the maximum penalty. The prosecution rests its case."


So, it will be interesting when you appeal to the High Court against the sentence.
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: triptamean on January 23, 2019, 01:30:49 PM
JimmnyJerry have hit it on the head, I think. And no, I wouldn't see it as lace agate.
Australian law defines fossicking as "[/size]the gathering of minerals as (a) a recreation."[/color]



You stand in the dock pleading, "I wasn't fossicking. I just picked up this stone."


And at that the prosecutor says, "Hah my Lord. So we have it on his own admission that he was on a recreational activity and the simple fact of picking up the stone with intent shows clearly that the defendant was fossicking.


"As a deterrent to others we ask that your Honour give the maximum penalty. The prosecution rests its case."


So, it will be interesting when you appeal to the High Court against the sentence.

I can't tell if you're joking, though it seems like it. You actually believe all of that?
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: Gemster on January 23, 2019, 03:05:11 PM
Yep WE ARE VERY SERIOUS ... Picking up any rock and taking it home is against NPWS Policy and the Law.....
  This is exactly what We Law abiding Fossickers are up against. People who do the wrong thing and cry 'I wasn't Fossicking'... and by doing the above action can only give the powers to be more power to stop our activity... We are already having issues with NPWS and 'Mines' NSW and this kind of thing only gives them ammo in our fight to keep areas open or open New areas... 
QLD is also looking into a few changes..
 You have done wrong AND have also admitted the offence publicly... 
Ignorance is no Excuse for the Law...

Imagine if We all saw a 'Plant' we want for the garden... Same thing...

  Hope im on the jury.... :P

  Gemster....
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: Orange Pirate on January 23, 2019, 04:07:18 PM

Technically he's not fossicking.......
Your Honour. :-X


Quote
(2) However, a person does not fossick merely because the person picks up a specimen of fossicking material the person finds by chance when doing something other than fossicking.


https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/view/pdf/2016-07-01/act-1994-063
Sec. 5.


But the rock disturbance/removal in National parks though. Well that's another thing. Plenty on the fines in NSW but found nought in Queensland. But I'd imagine it's just the same.

Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: harryopal on January 23, 2019, 04:24:15 PM
Your Honour,
As prosecutor I can only say that in view of the defendant's total lack of remorse I feel the only appropriate response is the death penalty.
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: Orange Pirate on January 23, 2019, 06:48:05 PM
Your Honour,
As prosecutor I can only say that in view of the defendant's total lack of remorse I feel the only appropriate response is the death penalty.
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: triptamean on January 23, 2019, 08:34:17 PM
Yep WE ARE VERY SERIOUS ... Picking up any rock and taking it home is against NPWS Policy and the Law.....
  This is exactly what We Law abiding Fossickers are up against. People who do the wrong thing and cry 'I wasn't Fossicking'... and by doing the above action can only give the powers to be more power to stop our activity... We are already having issues with NPWS and 'Mines' NSW and this kind of thing only gives them ammo in our fight to keep areas open or open New areas... 
QLD is also looking into a few changes..
 You have done wrong AND have also admitted the offence publicly... 
Ignorance is no Excuse for the Law...

Imagine if We all saw a 'Plant' we want for the garden... Same thing...

  Hope im on the jury.... :P

  Gemster....

I hear what you say about fossickers having a hard time from the law-makers, but your attitude is terrible toward someone like myself who has literally for the first time heard about such laws. Attempting to make me feel wrong for something that I was completely unaware of is just plain ugly, and no way to educate people on such things. Help create awareness rather than attempt to shame me and make me feel bad
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: Ghost on January 23, 2019, 08:45:38 PM
Wow!   What an introduction to the our forum, and no even a welcome!

A very warm welcome to ALF triptamean.   I'm sure you will have lots of fun here.

Perhaps next time you should just kick the rocks along the path until you are out of the National Park before picking them up?
Regards,   Ghost.
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: Ghost on January 23, 2019, 08:53:17 PM
Hi triptamean,
It appears that our posts crossed.
Please don't be put off our wonderful and informative forum.   
I'm not sure how serious the those Eastern States guys were or if they were just having a bit of fun.
The problem they refer to doesn't occur that much here in South Australia.   There's just not much worth picking up here.
Regards,   Ghost.
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: harryopal on January 24, 2019, 01:10:59 AM
Triptamean,


Not meaning to upset you so apologies if you took my remarks the wrong way. I thought the reference to appealing to the high court about your conviction was so extreme that it was self evident that I was joking.


So, don't give up. The rock was identified for you and there is lots of useful information if you persevere.


I will resign from my position as prosecutor and I doubt that you will get the death penalty.
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: Bucket on January 24, 2019, 09:04:23 AM
Welcome to the forum triptamean. Not the normal welcome though and with some explanation you might understand the reception. Over the years we have all seen fossicking areas closed off to us by the deeds of some that are not as innocent as you, in other words deliberate over collection for either personal or monetary gain. As a lot (including myself) are quite passionate about the hobby it is upsetting to see another area closed to us. Unfortunately there are a lot of different government departments that seem to be keen on closing these areas, mines departments, aboriginal lands departments, national parks and state forest authorities and some of the political parties themselves and it appears that some don't need a lot of ammunition to start another war against us. What you need to understand is that national parks particularly are no go areas for anything other than walking in and taking photos of, no digging, removal of anything (flora, fauna or inanimate material), even driving in them (4wd) can be banned or restricted. Even fishing is outlawed. This is usually outlined in some signage at the entrance to a national park.

Anyway, I agree that the stone you found is most likely chalcedony lining a hollow in the stone. Chalcedony can come in more solid forms and can produce a lovely gemstone when cut and polished. Yours is too thin for that and is a nice specimen only. I would suggest that if you're interested in furthering your interest, find your local lapidary club and join, they are usually a wealth of information and most have the equipment and knowledge to cut and polish anything you may find.

Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: MrSydney on January 24, 2019, 01:51:52 PM
Welcome Triptamean!

What a drama! 

The reality is I think anybody who noticed something like that would pick it up!

The dramatic way it was raised was really just a way of making you realise that in National parks you shouldn't.  However that knowledge could have been easily conveyed in a softer manner!

Lots of cool stuff out there!  Have fun finding it and the between the experience of the people on this site and the information in the old threads it is an amazing source of knowledge.
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: Gemster on January 24, 2019, 09:56:17 PM
Sorry, but as if you didn't know what NPWS stands for and what is and isn't allowed in a National Park... That being said Welcome to ALF... :D
  Just a heads-up...Be careful up at Lamington NP... The Police have been taking down Number plates up there and at another area that is on Army Property near-by... Collecting Evidence for Prosecutions at a later date I have been told... They Know what is going on...

 Gemster...
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: triptamean on January 28, 2019, 12:21:49 PM
Welcome to the forum triptamean. Not the normal welcome though and with some explanation you might understand the reception. Over the years we have all seen fossicking areas closed off to us by the deeds of some that are not as innocent as you, in other words deliberate over collection for either personal or monetary gain. As a lot (including myself) are quite passionate about the hobby it is upsetting to see another area closed to us. Unfortunately there are a lot of different government departments that seem to be keen on closing these areas, mines departments, aboriginal lands departments, national parks and state forest authorities and some of the political parties themselves and it appears that some don't need a lot of ammunition to start another war against us. What you need to understand is that national parks particularly are no go areas for anything other than walking in and taking photos of, no digging, removal of anything (flora, fauna or inanimate material), even driving in them (4wd) can be banned or restricted. Even fishing is outlawed. This is usually outlined in some signage at the entrance to a national park.

Anyway, I agree that the stone you found is most likely chalcedony lining a hollow in the stone. Chalcedony can come in more solid forms and can produce a lovely gemstone when cut and polished. Yours is too thin for that and is a nice specimen only. I would suggest that if you're interested in furthering your interest, find your local lapidary club and join, they are usually a wealth of information and most have the equipment and knowledge to cut and polish anything you may find.

Thank you for that! I feel well-informed now, and also respected. I would love to join a lapidary club. There is one near me, I just haven't been yet. I would also love to go on hunts with people to find stones. Obviously in legal fossicking areas :)
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: triptamean on January 28, 2019, 12:23:04 PM
Triptamean,


Not meaning to upset you so apologies if you took my remarks the wrong way. I thought the reference to appealing to the high court about your conviction was so extreme that it was self evident that I was joking.


So, don't give up. The rock was identified for you and there is lots of useful information if you persevere.


I will resign from my position as prosecutor and I doubt that you will get the death penalty.

Cheers mate. I could see the humour in your post. Just to be clear, my issue was specifically with Gemster and their attitude towards me
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: triptamean on January 28, 2019, 12:32:02 PM
Sorry, but as if you didn't know what NPWS stands for and what is and isn't allowed in a National Park... That being said Welcome to ALF... :D
  Just a heads-up...Be careful up at Lamington NP... The Police have been taking down Number plates up there and at another area that is on Army Property near-by... Collecting Evidence for Prosecutions at a later date I have been told... They Know what is going on...

 Gemster...

I actually didn't know what NPWS stands for, nor that a single stone is not allowed to be removed from a National Park. Your assumptions are judgemental and quite hostile. You may want to reconsider your approach, and not treat me (and others) like crooks. But thanks for the heads up and the information.
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: Gemster on January 28, 2019, 03:11:07 PM
Sorry if I came across Harsh.. I am very Passionate about my Fossicking and Protecting our Hobby and Industry for future Generations... I feel that People just don't realise just how serious this situation is...And how quick Government departments can close areas or make changes to laws, as has happened before...
   I will never 'Reconsider' My approach towards Illegal Fossicking/Mining.... Things like this have to be stopped... As explained before, These are the exact things We are up against in our fight to keep places open for future generations and to get new areas opened up...
 NPWS, Mines NSW and other Gov Departments are watching these Forums to gather Ammo to be used when the likes of NAPFA are trying to change things for the better and keep getting hit with comments like this that happened at the last meeting between NAPFA and the Minister...
Quote from Gov Committee Member at last NAPFA- Minister Meeting-- 'Well what about this Evidence that We have obtained regarding Illegal Fossicking' unquote...
  Makes it very hard  for NAPFA to answer and still have respect from the Government...
 NAPFA is... NSW and ACT Prospectors and Fossickers Association
Most of the things going on are related to Victoria and NSW, but ALL other states are watching things unfold down south very closely and when Prospecting and Fossicking Committees try to have new areas opened up or to keep areas open, they get hit with the same thing as NAPFA has...
 There is a Movement at the moment across  all of Australia to Lock-up areas and close the Bush to Every-one FOREVER, Fossickers, Prospectors,4x4 users, Fishing, Camping, Scouts. Every-one.. this Movement must be stopped... Have a google Re: United Bush Users Group of Victoria, PMAV and NAPFA and see what those poor Fellas are up against... In Victoria, Their State Gov wants to close or restrict up to 80% of the golden triangle and turn it into a National Park, Killing off Small towns that rely on Tourists, Fossickers ect  There is also lots of info on this forum and others regarding this...
 If I saw you doing what you did on-site, I would still be the same.... Harsh but We need to  Protect what limited access We have ATM...
https://pmav.org.au/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/453169665130507/
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?id=26573
https://www.napfa.net/
 Happy Reading... There's Plenty on this out there...

  Gemster... beers
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: Gemster on January 28, 2019, 03:38:20 PM
And after 2 Deaths at a popular Swimming Hole/Illegal Fossicking area on Army land in the Gold Coast Hinterland last year, things are not looking good for these areas now... People have been Trespassing for years and it is coming to a point that Fines/Charges are going to be handed out to those who choose to ignore the Signs... I wouldn't like to be charged with, 'Trespass on Federal Land' or ' Illegal gathering of Protected Items in a National Park' or what-ever they want to charge you with...  :( 

 Gemster.... beers
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: triptamean on January 30, 2019, 04:25:34 PM
Sorry if I came across Harsh.. I am very Passionate about my Fossicking and Protecting our Hobby and Industry for future Generations... I feel that People just don't realise just how serious this situation is...And how quick Government departments can close areas or make changes to laws, as has happened before...
   I will never 'Reconsider' My approach towards Illegal Fossicking/Mining.... Things like this have to be stopped... As explained before, These are the exact things We are up against in our fight to keep places open for future generations and to get new areas opened up...
 NPWS, Mines NSW and other Gov Departments are watching these Forums to gather Ammo to be used when the likes of NAPFA are trying to change things for the better and keep getting hit with comments like this that happened at the last meeting between NAPFA and the Minister...
Quote from Gov Committee Member at last NAPFA- Minister Meeting-- 'Well what about this Evidence that We have obtained regarding Illegal Fossicking' unquote...
  Makes it very hard  for NAPFA to answer and still have respect from the Government...
 NAPFA is... NSW and ACT Prospectors and Fossickers Association
Most of the things going on are related to Victoria and NSW, but ALL other states are watching things unfold down south very closely and when Prospecting and Fossicking Committees try to have new areas opened up or to keep areas open, they get hit with the same thing as NAPFA has...
 There is a Movement at the moment across  all of Australia to Lock-up areas and close the Bush to Every-one FOREVER, Fossickers, Prospectors,4x4 users, Fishing, Camping, Scouts. Every-one.. this Movement must be stopped... Have a google Re: United Bush Users Group of Victoria, PMAV and NAPFA and see what those poor Fellas are up against... In Victoria, Their State Gov wants to close or restrict up to 80% of the golden triangle and turn it into a National Park, Killing off Small towns that rely on Tourists, Fossickers ect  There is also lots of info on this forum and others regarding this...
 If I saw you doing what you did on-site, I would still be the same.... Harsh but We need to  Protect what limited access We have ATM...
https://pmav.org.au/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/453169665130507/
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?id=26573
https://www.napfa.net/
 Happy Reading... There's Plenty on this out there...

  Gemster... beers

Yes I can see you are indeed very passionate and protective about all of this. Good on you, there is obviously a lot going on out there that I am completely unaware of. Especially the thing about the government wanting to restrict the bush from ALL users. That is insane that such a thing is even being considered. Far out. I doubt it would ever take hold though, there would be SO much backlash from the general public and from people like us who freakin' love the bush.
Thanks again for all the info
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: Fullerton on January 31, 2019, 09:00:43 AM
Botryoidal chalcedony on basalt with minor agate ... nice specimen and a good start to 'fossicking'.

I don't think Lamington National Park will suddenly implode from this breach but best to focus on finding rocks outside the national park in future. 
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: Gemster on January 31, 2019, 04:50:15 PM
The Governments on all levels WILL do as they please.. In Victoria they have admitted that exact thing... One quote from them is that they think there is only a 'handful of retirees using Detectors out there' Oh how wrong they are ...
  I noticed you have been on PA and there are a lot of Topics on there on what is happening down there... NSW state Gov is waiting for the outcome down south, That's why they are stalling NAPFA in their quest to Improve things for all... QLD is also watching very closely... It is not good if it  happens...

 Hill End is also having Issues with NPWS and the gov wants these small towns to shut down as then, they don't need to spend $$ looking after them... I will send you a PM and We can chat further on this if you like... I noticed you are on the Goldie, So am I, so may-be we can meet up over a beer one day to discuss the ''state of affairs" in the world of Fossicking and Prospecting... :)

 Gemster.... beers
Title: Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
Post by: starsapphire78 on May 22, 2019, 03:14:54 AM
Hi Triptamean welcome to ALF, may you enjoy your time here and my the fossicking gods, smile on you. Oh and one more thing, watch out for LOL cats, and attack kittens, cute but nasty, anyway have fun. And welcome once again