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triptamean

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Can anyone identify this stone for me?
« on: January 22, 2019, 11:59:10 PM »
Hey everyone. I found a stone when I went walking a few weeks ago in Lamington National Park. I would love your help identifying it.

https://imgur.com/f15IFq5
https://imgur.com/JbUxsiI
https://imgur.com/SqA7erp
https://imgur.com/zttUtVn
https://imgur.com/SCLaJ48

Do you know what it is?

I also uploaded a video showing the stone.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDcuhqcDdd0&feature=youtu.be

Thanks!
« Last Edit: January 23, 2019, 12:12:29 AM by triptamean »

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Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2019, 07:35:10 AM »
Looks like a chalcedony lined cavity.
Presume it was not found in the National Park. See link.
https://www.qld.gov.au/recreation/activities/areas-facilities/fossicking/rules/designated-areas

Cheers,Jerry
« Last Edit: January 23, 2019, 07:41:43 AM by Jimnyjerry »
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Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2019, 12:17:38 PM »
Cheers for that Jerry
I didn't mention it but I wasn't fossicking. I literally noticed the stone on the path as I was walking. It stood out to me. It was much dirtier than it is in those photos, but I could tell that it was a special stone :)

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Re: Can anyone identify this stone for me?
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2019, 12:46:36 PM »
JimmnyJerry have hit it on the head, I think. And no, I wouldn't see it as lace agate.
Australian law defines fossicking as "[/size]the gathering of minerals as (a) a recreation."[/color]



You stand in the dock pleading, "I wasn't fossicking. I just picked up this stone."


And at that the prosecutor says, "Hah my Lord. So we have it on his own admission that he was on a recreational activity and the simple fact of picking up the stone with intent shows clearly that the defendant was fossicking.


"As a deterrent to others we ask that your Honour give the maximum penalty. The prosecution rests its case."


So, it will be interesting when you appeal to the High Court against the sentence.

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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2019, 01:30:49 PM »
JimmnyJerry have hit it on the head, I think. And no, I wouldn't see it as lace agate.
Australian law defines fossicking as "[/size]the gathering of minerals as (a) a recreation."[/color]



You stand in the dock pleading, "I wasn't fossicking. I just picked up this stone."


And at that the prosecutor says, "Hah my Lord. So we have it on his own admission that he was on a recreational activity and the simple fact of picking up the stone with intent shows clearly that the defendant was fossicking.


"As a deterrent to others we ask that your Honour give the maximum penalty. The prosecution rests its case."


So, it will be interesting when you appeal to the High Court against the sentence.

I can't tell if you're joking, though it seems like it. You actually believe all of that?

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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2019, 03:05:11 PM »
Yep WE ARE VERY SERIOUS ... Picking up any rock and taking it home is against NPWS Policy and the Law.....
  This is exactly what We Law abiding Fossickers are up against. People who do the wrong thing and cry 'I wasn't Fossicking'... and by doing the above action can only give the powers to be more power to stop our activity... We are already having issues with NPWS and 'Mines' NSW and this kind of thing only gives them ammo in our fight to keep areas open or open New areas... 
QLD is also looking into a few changes..
 You have done wrong AND have also admitted the offence publicly... 
Ignorance is no Excuse for the Law...

Imagine if We all saw a 'Plant' we want for the garden... Same thing...

  Hope im on the jury.... :P

  Gemster....
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2019, 04:07:18 PM »

Technically he's not fossicking.......
Your Honour. :-X


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(2) However, a person does not fossick merely because the person picks up a specimen of fossicking material the person finds by chance when doing something other than fossicking.


https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/view/pdf/2016-07-01/act-1994-063
Sec. 5.


But the rock disturbance/removal in National parks though. Well that's another thing. Plenty on the fines in NSW but found nought in Queensland. But I'd imagine it's just the same.


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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2019, 04:24:15 PM »
Your Honour,
As prosecutor I can only say that in view of the defendant's total lack of remorse I feel the only appropriate response is the death penalty.

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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2019, 06:48:05 PM »
Your Honour,
As prosecutor I can only say that in view of the defendant's total lack of remorse I feel the only appropriate response is the death penalty.

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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2019, 08:34:17 PM »
Yep WE ARE VERY SERIOUS ... Picking up any rock and taking it home is against NPWS Policy and the Law.....
  This is exactly what We Law abiding Fossickers are up against. People who do the wrong thing and cry 'I wasn't Fossicking'... and by doing the above action can only give the powers to be more power to stop our activity... We are already having issues with NPWS and 'Mines' NSW and this kind of thing only gives them ammo in our fight to keep areas open or open New areas... 
QLD is also looking into a few changes..
 You have done wrong AND have also admitted the offence publicly... 
Ignorance is no Excuse for the Law...

Imagine if We all saw a 'Plant' we want for the garden... Same thing...

  Hope im on the jury.... :P

  Gemster....

I hear what you say about fossickers having a hard time from the law-makers, but your attitude is terrible toward someone like myself who has literally for the first time heard about such laws. Attempting to make me feel wrong for something that I was completely unaware of is just plain ugly, and no way to educate people on such things. Help create awareness rather than attempt to shame me and make me feel bad

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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2019, 08:45:38 PM »
Wow!   What an introduction to the our forum, and no even a welcome!

A very warm welcome to ALF triptamean.   I'm sure you will have lots of fun here.

Perhaps next time you should just kick the rocks along the path until you are out of the National Park before picking them up?
Regards,   Ghost.

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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2019, 08:53:17 PM »
Hi triptamean,
It appears that our posts crossed.
Please don't be put off our wonderful and informative forum.   
I'm not sure how serious the those Eastern States guys were or if they were just having a bit of fun.
The problem they refer to doesn't occur that much here in South Australia.   There's just not much worth picking up here.
Regards,   Ghost.

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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2019, 01:10:59 AM »
Triptamean,


Not meaning to upset you so apologies if you took my remarks the wrong way. I thought the reference to appealing to the high court about your conviction was so extreme that it was self evident that I was joking.


So, don't give up. The rock was identified for you and there is lots of useful information if you persevere.


I will resign from my position as prosecutor and I doubt that you will get the death penalty.

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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2019, 09:04:23 AM »
Welcome to the forum triptamean. Not the normal welcome though and with some explanation you might understand the reception. Over the years we have all seen fossicking areas closed off to us by the deeds of some that are not as innocent as you, in other words deliberate over collection for either personal or monetary gain. As a lot (including myself) are quite passionate about the hobby it is upsetting to see another area closed to us. Unfortunately there are a lot of different government departments that seem to be keen on closing these areas, mines departments, aboriginal lands departments, national parks and state forest authorities and some of the political parties themselves and it appears that some don't need a lot of ammunition to start another war against us. What you need to understand is that national parks particularly are no go areas for anything other than walking in and taking photos of, no digging, removal of anything (flora, fauna or inanimate material), even driving in them (4wd) can be banned or restricted. Even fishing is outlawed. This is usually outlined in some signage at the entrance to a national park.

Anyway, I agree that the stone you found is most likely chalcedony lining a hollow in the stone. Chalcedony can come in more solid forms and can produce a lovely gemstone when cut and polished. Yours is too thin for that and is a nice specimen only. I would suggest that if you're interested in furthering your interest, find your local lapidary club and join, they are usually a wealth of information and most have the equipment and knowledge to cut and polish anything you may find.

Common sense isn't exactly common

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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2019, 01:51:52 PM »
Welcome Triptamean!

What a drama! 

The reality is I think anybody who noticed something like that would pick it up!

The dramatic way it was raised was really just a way of making you realise that in National parks you shouldn't.  However that knowledge could have been easily conveyed in a softer manner!

Lots of cool stuff out there!  Have fun finding it and the between the experience of the people on this site and the information in the old threads it is an amazing source of knowledge.

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