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Forum Admin, Rules & FAQ => Shows and Events => Topic started by: Wwoofa on December 05, 2015, 10:01:12 AM
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Mar 11-13 (plus field trips?)
More info here .... http://www.minerama.com.au (http://www.minerama.com.au)
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Looks like they are running very late with the field trips. ::) Whats the bet they will cut field trips to 3 days again >:(
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Bob it already says
"Search for buried treasure in Celtic Country with a 3-day program (Thursday, Friday and Saturday) of guided fossicking field trips to suit both beginner and experienced gem hunters. It’s great fun for the whole family with a wealth of gems waiting to be unearthed and jewels waiting to be worn."
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:) 'Biggest Gem Show' not...... Lismore has way more Traders and Tailgaters.... But Sadly no Field trips.... yet still a great week of fun at Glen Innes.... May have to book my Campsite early ;D
Gemster....... beers
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MINERAMA 10 - 13th March
Nine Field Trips planned for 2016 with the final two to be finalised in early January.
Thur - Matheson, "Red Farm" Glencoe and one to be finalised
Fri - Glen Elgin, "Glenora" Yarrow Creek and one to be finalised
Sat - Crossmaglen, Fernbrook, 7 Oaks/Frasers Creek (Family Fossicking)
Maps and photos uploaded next week with Field Trip on-line booking sales available at the same time.
Remember the Saturday Night Dinner with guest speakers for $22 per head (2 course). Bookings online when you book Field Trips or with Julie at the Services Club. 02 67321555
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Aroona Glen Fossicking Sanctuary Glen Elgin? ??? New spot or old location?
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Where did you get that from, Jerry? It's not in the list that comes up on my screen.
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Where did you get that from, Jerry? It's not in the list that comes up on my screen.
It is on the booking list if you purchase your ticket online but have no further info on that location.
cheers
leah
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Aroona Glen Fossicking Sanctuary Glen Elgin?
Great spot nice camping/caravanning facilities very relaxing and good for a fossick.
Been back a couple of times. The owners are really hospitable.
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::) Hopefully the other sites are more interesting ::) instead of Pay to Dig venues ::)
Gemster....... beers
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Couple of "concerns".
What happens IF there are more than 150 ppl attending? Do they miss out on trips?
If trip 3 on Day 1 is Pretty Valley are you aware that the owner states a MAXIMUM number of 35? NOT 50 as stated ???
Why are there only 3 days of trips?
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Yes Lord-Thunda I hear you and agree.... Look at the numbers for Gemfest... :o
Pre booking ::) ::) That's why people who choose NOT to have a Credit/Debit Card run a good chance of missing out at this Event..... ::)
As for Pretty Valley hasn't Findem foundem all ;) ;D
:D Happy New Year to everyone in Lapidary Land :D
Gemster..... beers
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Aroona Glen Fossicking Sanctuary Glen Elgin?
Great spot nice camping/caravanning facilities very relaxing and good for a fossick.
Been back a couple of times. The owners are really hospitable.
Sorry dughug I have never heard of it
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Nor have I.
And I deliberately left all the good wash at Pretty Valley for future generations. ;)
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Pre booking ::) ::) That's why people who choose NOT to have a Credit/Debit Card run a good chance of missing out at this Event..... ::)
Gemster..... beers
On our own website, we do offer people payment options for those who do not have a credit/debit card. But in this day and age, I really cannot understand anyone not having one. If you are concerned about security (although not a significant risk IMHO if used correctly), you can always just get a "Load and Go" debit card from the post office - no personal information required and just load up funds as needed when you intend to use it. Just about zero risk and then you are covered for those rare occasions when that is the only option available (although it is not really good web design or customer service to restrict the options that much). I know people who use these just for online shopping as a way to quarantine off their personal accounts and it is a sensible strategy for those who want to be super-careful.
cheers
Leah
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I will purchase anything in life with cash... no cash no purchase. 8).. So why pay an extra 20% interest on your purchase just because you can pay it off later :o. May suit others but not me.. That's one reason why I don't have a credit card and never will.... for large purchases I use a bank cheque.... and a load n go card from post office for net transactions.....
By the way, Anybody want to buy a perfectly good gift card from a certain electronics retailer? ???...
Happy New Year to you, Leah, Andrew and Family And Everyone else in ALF Land... beers
Hopefully the Other Venues for Minerama are better than the ones on offer at the moment ::)
Gemster...... beers2016
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.. and a load n go card from post office for net transactions.....
Which will work perfectly well to get a field trip ticket so not really sure what the problem is. You appeared to be unhappy that you could not get a field trip ticket without a credit card but if you have a "load and go", then you are right to go.
I put heaps of stuff on credit card - very happy to use the bank's money for 30 days - as long as it is paid in full on time (it always is), then there is zero interest to pay. If you want to use your money, then a debit card or "load and go" is the way to go - also accepted online. No need to pay 20% extra at all.
Range of sites on offer is another topic altogether and I am sure organisers would appreciate feedback from visitors about what types of locations they want AND information on such on the website so they can make an informed decision before they fork over the money. This info is not adequate in my opinion - there should be more details on the trips so potential customers know what is on offer. Many members here have some idea because they are familiar with the general area but purchasing online should not rely on assumed knowledge - it should be available at the point of sale.
If you would like to pass on feedback, please PM GLENVIC or let us know and we can pass on direct.
cheers
Leah
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I have 'watched' this once Premier Event slowly slip into oblivion ::) ... A Few more years and Lismore will be the Premier Event if not already ...... They really need to get their act together if they want Minerama to be a success in the future...... All imo... of course ;)
As for what Fossickers want... Well I thought that's pretty clear.. Decent Fossicking areas that the public Don't generally have access to...... Not Public Fossicking areas that's for sure... But to be given a name like Matheson or Red Farm???? where the hell are they ? People have to plan for these events and to allow costs like petrol and food but where are we going?... Who knows where....
And they want MY money beforehand? NO Way will I be doing that.....
How do you 'Contact' the organisers when they have removed the Contact Us item on their homepage? I only used this 'option' last week ::) and last year, and im still waiting for a reply from both enquires >:(
Maybe Glenvic can clear up a few things for us on the Forum?
Gemster...... beers
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.. But to be given a name like Matheson or Red Farm???? where the hell are they ? People have to plan for these events and to allow costs like petrol and food but where are we going?...
Exactly - definitely need more info on the deal posted on website. Used to be the case in the past where Findem used to write up quite a detailed blurb for each trip which was posted on the website but not in recent years which I think is a problem.
We have passed similar feedback on in the past but there is always pressure from committee to join ourselves. We have been there and done that - it wasnt fun for a variety of reasons behind the scenes plus we just dont have the time. We support via sponsorship but cannot be on committee.
If people are having trouble getting response from committee, send to us and we will pass on direct via email.
Cheers
Leah
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Spot on Leah ;)....One of the problems is that Fossicking Events should be run by Fossickers or at least let them have their say :-X.....
As for 'Behind the Scenes' and Committees well what can I say except that's why I don't have a stall at this Event anymore ::)..... And a few of the Tailgaters who have been coming for years are just about fed up with it all too..... ::)
Yes, we do need Findem to return to the great lands of New England...... ;) ;D
Gemster...... beers
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Spot on Leah ;)....One of the problems is that Fossicking Events should be run by Fossickers or at least let them have their say :-X.....
Unfortunately, the local gem club has not really wanted to get involved in the organisation of the event - that local knowledge could help out a lot with the trips but it is only a small club and since they dont benefit directly (unlike most other gem shows), it has not really worked out. They do run a stall with the trailer fossicking for the kids which is great but most visitors want trips and to be fair, it is a challenge to please everyone.
cheers
Leah
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Hi All,
Starting to think about Minerama myself and what is worthwhile and what is not - or if there is a day or two we should just do our own thing.
I've messaged Lord Thunda but thought for forum members it would be good for the more experienced guys to let us know what is a standard 'pay to dig' or overworked, normally free public area and what is not (from what you can work out yourselves). For example 7 Oaks is obviously a normal pay site. So really grateful if you can give some feedback on the named destinations - obviously there are 2 I think 'yet to be determined'.
So the existing ones are (direct paste from Minerama website):
Thursday March 10
Field Trip 1: Matheson
Field Trip 2: “Red Farm” Glencoe
Field Trip 3: To be advised
Friday March 11
Field Trip 4: To be advised
Field Trip 5: Glen Elgin
Field Trip 6: “Glenora” Yarrow Creek
Saturday March 12
Field Trip 7: “Crossmaglen”
Field Trip 8: “Fernbrook”
Field Trip 9: 7 Oaks / Frasers Creek Family Fossicking
Grateful for your help!!
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Have not been for 2 years. If you are new to the sites then each chose is a learning experience
An answer may be tailored to whether or not you bring young kids along. Some spots have rock, blackberry, snake or deep pool hazards for little kids
Matheson depends where they mean public or private
“Red Farm” Glencoe not sure what they mean
Glen Elgin meditation retreat, camping and fossicking
“Glenora” Yarrow Creek depends which one of many spots are chosen. How soggy the tracks are can dictate location.
“Crossmaglen” see Lord Thunders comments on last years Minerama
“Fernbrook” new
7 Oaks / Frasers Creek Family Fossicking self explaining
When Findem organised the trips there was a detailed description of each location and what you will need and expect to find. Some you may find in Fossicking locations.
Will try to see if I can locate the others online. Sorry old web page links are not on line anymore. >:(
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Found the map with locations for the field trips. Just click on the ballons on the map to read what location they are.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=zHt3oLh8Q-Uc.k8xKHGgm5x8Y&hl=en_US (https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=zHt3oLh8Q-Uc.k8xKHGgm5x8Y&hl=en_US)
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"Glenora" is the property with "Down the Hill", "Through the Fence" and the "Old Mine" locations we used to go to.
"Fernbrook" is the property with our other Yarrow Creek locations from the "Bottom End" up to "Garnet Corner". Come to think of it, that might be "Ferndale". There is a "Fernbrook" (or is it "Ferndale"?) out Bald Nob/Shannon Vale way. I tried a creek in that area several times with no success. The place where the Minerama trip is going could well be on a different creek.
As Jerry points out, track conditions dictate what places are accessible on the day, if any.
You can read up on these in the New England Minerals blog (link below) with links to the videos of each place listed in the relevant blog, or by doing a search in the "list of all blog entries and relevant You Tube videos" link at the beginning of each blog.
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Oh The Powers to Be have given us a little bit more to go on ::) At least we now have GPS cords to use..... Now I wonder what we will find at these cords? ???
All with only about 6 weeks to go and they still got trips to be advised ::)
At least with Gemfest you knew where you were going, what to find and how to find it...... all that info was available from the start..... ;)
Thanks Jimnyjerry and Findem for your help at least we have GPS cords now.... and some input as well..
Gemster...... beers
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Thanks All!
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Thanks for that map Jerry beers
To me, it looks like "Matheson" is the FREE fossicking area at Wellingrove.
"Red Farm" as I suspected is the FREE fossicking area at Glencoe.
If you zoom in on the map it shows Glen Elgin as being on Severn River. I personally have never heard of anything being found in the Severn apart from fish or yabbies but maybe John would know more.
As for the "unknown" sites, how long before we do get a location? I know how hard it is to find new places from personal experience but 6 weeks before the event ?
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To me, it looks like "Matheson" is the FREE fossicking area at Wellingrove.
"Red Farm" as I suspected is the FREE fossicking area at Glencoe.
When I checked the lat/long on the Glencoe site, it looked to be North of the village rather than just south where the free site is. And the Wellingrove site did not look like it was at the fossicking reserve but on other side of the timber nearby. But that was just copy/paste co-ords into Google Maps and looking at the satellite imagery.
However, until we get confirmation from someone on the committee, we wont know more details.
cheers
Leah
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;) I have only seen stuff come from The Severn River up Stanthorpe Way.... Smokeys, Sapphires and the odd Topaz, nice stones tho..... Not too sure about down your way Lord_Thunda..... But why not , plenty of Sapphire bearing creeks feed into the Severn down your way.....
6 weeks to go and still no word from the Organizers of this Event..... You think they would be on here posting like mad and promoting Their Event.... instead We have to rely on Findem and Jimnyjerry to help us.... Thanks Guys if not for your help/knowledge who knows where we are off too.... ??? ::)
Gemster..... beers
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For what it's worth, the Glencoe location could be on Marowan Creek downstream of the Mt Mitchell road. The was a lot of sapphire mining in the granite country; the gems come down from the basalt country upstream where the alluvium can be very deep above any concentrated wash which might be below. We had no success getting access to properties in the area.
The Severn River rises near Bald Nob. I have no doubt there are gems in the headwaters, though black sand was all I ever found. I don't see that you could call the area "Glen Elgin", though.
This is a different Severn River to the one near Stanthorpe.
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For what it's worth, the Glencoe location could be on Marowan Creek downstream of the Mt Mitchell road....
Yes - that is what it looked like to me when I looked on Google maps satellite imagery. Not the free fossicking site.
cheers
Leah
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??? I always thought that the Severn was the same river as the one at Stanthorpe....
Time I broke out the maps.... now which box did I pack them in ::)
Lots of goodies around Mt Mitchell and a nice Gold Vein on Mt Slow too.. :-X. My Friend had it so good at Mt Mitchell but he has now sold his property and relocated over to a new area between Glen Innes and Emmaville ::) He has made a fortune out of the Tin, Topaz and Sapphires in the area as well as on his property..... Droo Some of the Topaz from the area are so 'Blue' They are often mistaken for the Oban River stuff...... :D
Gemster...... beers
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Finally we have a full card for Minerama... Website has announced Locations for All trips....
Gemster...... beers
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Finally we have a full card for Minerama... Website has announced Locations for All trips....
There was a bit of to-ing and fro-ing about that last week (I did give feedback on the issue in some detail 8) ) but hopefully there should be a bit more info about the trips added soon. And the last two "to be announced" trips have been announced now so that is also good.
Program here: http://www.minerama.com.au/fossicking/field-trips/
Map here (although just a lat/long provided at this stage): http://www.minerama.com.au/fossicking/fossicking-map/
cheers
leah
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Wonder what happens if more than 130 turn up each day & more than 150 on Saturday. :-X Seeming as Gemfest had 130 with no advertising I'd expect closer to 200 each day.
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Do you know where they are going for the 'Pretty Valley'' trip? Likely to be good or bad?
Is Waterloo a property or a location?
Would be great to get some feedback as to these sites as, like many, I'll guess I'll look to lock in now.
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Do you know where they are going for the 'Pretty Valley'' trip? Likely to be good or bad?
Is Waterloo a property or a location?
Would be great to get some feedback as to these sites as, like many, I'll guess I'll look to lock in now.
Pretty Valley has been a popular site over the years - you are likely to find a fair bit of info if you search on the forum. Private land but Findem used to take groups out there when he did tours and it has been a regular site on the Minerama field trip menu. Always a favourite spot.
Waterloo Station is a farm at the locality Matheson on the Wellingrove Creek - have been a few (not many) Minerama trips here but it is on private land and generally not very available so worth considering. This site will be more upstream of the one labelled as Matheson on the map but which is probably more accurately regarded as Wellingrove - Waterloo is closer to where the Wellingrove Creek crosses the New England Highway.
Hope this helps.
cheers
Leah
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Hi MrSydney - watch my Pretty Valley videos from the Gem Hunting playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHZuPQpKzTtO3Qnop_BFzrif9RPUzty09 (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHZuPQpKzTtO3Qnop_BFzrif9RPUzty09)
I was never disappointed by an outing to Pretty Valley, but 20-30 fossickers at a time is about all the place can comfortably hold. Remember, it's been dug over for more than 20 years so good stones aren't exactly plentiful these days.
John
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Thanks Both!
And Findem - I already have! ;D
I was already leaning to Pretty Valley for the different colour stones as I've only really got blues so far but I'll definitely weigh that up with the fact it has been worked over a fair bit.
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MINERAMA - EXTRA TRIP INFORMATION
Trip 3 Thur - Confirmed as Pretty Valley
Trip 4 Fri - Confirmed Waterloo Station
Descriptions and more photos going up on Website Fri (Webmaster at Funeral in Syd) Thanks Andrew and Leah for the suggestion on this.
Field Trip 1. Matheson (near Wellingrove) - NEW SITE FOR 2016
Private property with access not normally allowed. You will be working on a virtually untouched bit of gully with dam water for washing. Turn in at 392 Wellingrove Rd, turn right at green shed and park in the slashed area. Expect to find variety of sapphire, zircon, garnet , black spinel. Standard fossicking gear is required. This property is padlocked and has been organised by Minerama for this day only. Limited numbers apply. 2WD vehicles with care. Keep within the slashed area. Approx 21 kms 15 minutes drive from Glen Innes.
Field Trip 2. “Red Farm” Glencoe - NEW SITE FOR 2016
Private property with access not normally allowed. Downstream of the Glencoe public fossicking area. You will be working on Marouan Creek with only available access through private property which has been organised by Minerama. 2WD vehicles should be fine on this track. Careful in long grass. Expect to find sapphire, black spinel. - standard fossicking gear is required. Approx 15 minute drive from Glen Innes.
Trip 3. Pretty Valley “Rozedale” - VISITED BEFORE
Private property. Previously offered this short but sweet area still has plenty to offer. Pretty Valley Road off Pinkett Rd. Approx 2 kms past Rozedale mail box. Park on the side of the road and walk 100m down from the gate. Organised by Minerama. 2WD vehicles. Careful in long grass. Long handled shovel recommended to work between rocks. Dig to find sapphire, zircon, black spinel, smoky quartz, garnet. - standard fossicking gear is required. Pretty Valley Road off Pinkett Rd. Approx 33 kms / 30 minute drive from Glen Innes.
Field Trip 4. Waterloo. (NEW SITE 2016 Used many years ago)
Waterloo Creek - Private property with very limited numbers and access not normally allowed. Waterloo Creek available on the inside bend part only. This well secured section will be strictly monitored. Organised by Minerama. 2WD vehicles should be fine with parking on a slashed area only. Careful in long grass and beware of snakes. Expect to find sapphire - standard fossicking gear is required. Approx 15 minutes drive from Glen Innes on the Inverell Rd from Glen Innes. Turn off on Waterloo Rd at the Matheson Church. Proceed over bridge and through gate on right.
Trip 5. Glen Elgin “Aroona Glen” - NEW SITE 2016
Private property. This prinstine piece of private creek backs onto Butterleaf National Park east of Glen Innes. Closely guarded this fossicking sanctuary is family friendly. The Minerama Committee assures a great day..2WD vehicles to parking area. Toilets available. Look for mixture smokey quartz, sapphire, zircon. Take a gold pan if you have one and standard fossicking gear is required. Gwydir Hwy head east. Turn left onto Yahna Rd then right onto Morven Rd. Approx 50 kms / 30 minute drive from Glen Innes. STRICTLY NO PETS
Trip 6. Yarrow Creek “Glenora” -
Private property. 2WD vehicles with great care- prefer 4WD when leaving road. Look for mixture smokey quartz, sapphire, topaz, black spinel,garnet, zircon. Take a gold pan if you have one and standard fossicking gear is required. The owners have specifically requested that fossickers respect their land by removing all rubbish and keeping pets leashed at all times.
Field Trip 7 “Crossmaglen” A FAVOURITE
Reddestone Creek Emmaville Rd. Reddestone Creek, famous for its sapphire has been made available only to Minerama. Look for sapphire, black spinel, zircon.
Trip 8. Fernbrook. COULD BE THE SURPRISE LOCATION
The owner showed the Minerama delegates a multitude of fossicking spots on this property. Boundary to boundary fossicking is permitted for Minerama 2016. French's Swamp, The Glory Hole and Garnet Corner are names given to parts on this property on Yarrow Creek. Look for sapphire, smokey quartz, zircon, garnet and black spinel. Drive south on NE Hwy to Glencoe (22 kms) Turn left on to Mt Mitchell Rd then left on to Mt Slow Rd. 4WD strongly recommended from gate on right on road just over the old bridge.
TRIP 9 7 Oaks - Well known and a great day for the family.
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Good to see finalisation to the field trips :)
Did not attend the last 2 Mineramas so a few questions.
Field Trip 4. Waterloo. (NEW SITE 2016 Used many years ago)
Waterloo Creek - Private property with very limited numbers and access not normally allowed. Waterloo Creek available on the inside bend part only. This well secured section will be strictly monitored.
There are 2 inside bends at that location so which one is to be accessed?
Secured section? Taped off area.
Strict monitoring? Armed guards.
I heard what went on there years ago. Was not impressed.
Trip 8. Fernbrook. COULD BE THE SURPRISE LOCATION
The owner showed the Minerama delegates a multitude of fossicking spots on this property. Boundary to boundary fossicking is permitted for Minerama 2016. French's Swamp, The Glory Hole and Garnet Corner are names given to parts on this property on Yarrow Creek.
"Boundary to boundary fossicking is permitted for Minerama 2016", really?
So we can wandered all along the creek lines on the property.
Most new fossicker would get lost and it would be like herding cats to locate everyone at the end of the day.
Were any of the Minerama delegates actual fossickers?
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Maybe 'Secured Section' with Strict Monitoring by Armed Guards ;D
Sounds interesting 'Inside Bend only'...... ::)
I have asked the question before about if there are any Fossickers on the Committee
Sadly I don't know the answer..... ??? But a nice write up GLENN VIC :D
Gemster....... beers
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Jerry's right. When I was leading trips I regularly had to search for people who had gone beyond the relatively small area designated for the day. How do you get them to go home at the end of the day if you don't know where they are? They might have left early. They might be down an obscure track the leaders don't even know about. They could be trespassing - there are many internal fences so how can a first timer know which is a boundary fence?
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Field Trip 4. Waterloo. (NEW SITE 2016 Used many years ago)
Waterloo Creek - Private property with very limited numbers and access not normally allowed. Waterloo Creek available on the inside bend part only. This well secured section will be strictly monitored.
There are 2 inside bends at that location so which one is to be accessed?
Secured section? Taped off area.
Strict monitoring? Armed guards.
I heard what went on there years ago. Was not impressed.
I presume that is the reason FOR the strict monitoring. Was that the trip where someone tried to take a full boot load of dirt away with them (among other issues)? Not sure how they will do it but it is a real pity that the landowner thinks it necessary because of previous poor behaviour.
The visitors NEED to realise that when people do the wrong thing, it is just that much harder to organise sites. Understandably, landowners are reluctant to allow access when people abuse the opportunity.
There has been a fair amount of criticism of the committee (and I'll admit, I am one of those who think there should have been more information posted long ago) but it is not an easy job and only made harder when fossickers dont follow the simple rules laid out. I know it is a small minority who do the wrong thing but those actions hurt ALL of you. If you are on a trip and you see someone doing something ridiculous, it really needs to be handled there and then - not complained about later to someone who cannot really do anything about it.
It should not really be up to the trip leaders to go searching for those who deliberately go beyond the designated areas. It should not be necessary for trip leaders to have to watch everyone like a prison guard but apparently some just cannot do the right thing. Other fossickers should not have to pick up rubbish left by those who dont care (I know there are quite a few ALF'ers who have to do this on a regular basis at various spots). There should be a system so that gates are left open/closed as they should be (a problem we had when we offered our property some years ago).
I do not believe there are fossickers on the committee but without help from the local gem club, they are doing their best. A bit of assistance from the gem club would help greatly but they do not seem to be interested. So while there may be some shortcomings from where we stand (certainly more effective communication would be helpful), I do think it should be acknowledged that the committee are doing their best to put the event on at all for the benefit of Glen Innes and the visitors.
Cheers
Leah
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Wonder why the Local Gem Club doesn't want to get involved ::)
Wish they would stop using the tag 'Biggest Show'.... You can only use this tag if you are.... Lismore, to name one has far more Tailgaters, Dealers and Triple the Visitors..... Even some of the long time traders are calling this Minerama their last...... :P
I can't understand why there's so much us and them when it comes to organising these events....
Example... The Local Council sponsors Minerama but there's no funding for Gemfest? Same Area... it's these type of things that Divides Communities yet they are only a stones throw away from each other.....
There are many Experienced Fossickers in the area who Were willing to lead Field trips but
when you are ignored or given a hard time for your input and effort... Then why Bother >:(
Sometimes it's the little things like a free lunch or a bit of 'petrol money' For the Leaders to guide a group of people all over the countryside over several days...
Surprised they Don't charge them $20 bucks as well...... >:( After all that's what interest them the most, Making $$$$$$
Gemster..... beers
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Last time I looked the Local Gem Club members were too old to be active or very mobile and that was 3 years ago, so they are even older now. ;D
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Last time I looked the Local Gem Club members were too old to be active or very mobile and that was 3 years ago, so they are even older now. ;D
There appears to be some new younger members but I dont think perhaps the committee has asked them in recent years - there were some helpers on field trips long ago but had to really drag even that commitment out of them. Only a small club so numbers of available helpers are limited - as you say some of them are getting on and not really up to traipsing about the countryside.
They have always had a place on the committee but it has been many years since I attended a meeting that had a representative present so you just give up asking after a while I suppose. Of course, it has been some time since we were involved so cannot speak to the current situation.
They are only a small club and I suppose they dont see that there is any direct benefit to them by helping unlike other shows where the club runs the event and directly benefits from the funds raised.
Lots of difficult issues that are not easy to resolve.
cheers
leah
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For the first time I bit the bullet and booked on line. >:(
Did not feel like driving all the way up to just miss out. :(
Mind you will probably still chat to people who line up and book on the day ;)
Odd thing the first page of Conditions and Terms are both empty, you have to scroll to page 2.
More puzzling is that no conditions are listed that apply to the fossicking field trips.
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I have been reading through the various postings and will endeavour to answer the best way possible and that is up front.
Committee: - The Committee is a 355 Community Committee of Council made up of Volunteers. As the Manager of Tourism and Events I attend meetings but have no voting rights...nor does the Event office staff. The Council funds the Committee for $18,000 for admin staff, traffic control and parks and gardens. The Committee funds everything else from trader fees, sponsorship and donations. I also endeavour to acquire Grant Funding each year.
The Committee holds an AGM within about 4 weeks of Minerama and invites the community to become involved. This is advertised through the local paper (feature and public notice). In the past 3 1/2 years the Community interest has been minimal...to the point that in the past 2 years no interest has been forthcoming despite efforts to talk personally with people.
In funding of events, Council each year looks at the Return to the Visitor Economy for the funding allocated. The Event Policy has 4 categories of events: - "Signature, Key, Secondary and New" based on a number both Essential and Desirable Criteria. The principle ones being Economic Value to the LGA, Reach (intrastate and interstate visitors), number attending, how many times held and if held annually and how many volunteers are involved to make the event a success.
The Visitor Economy is the strategic element - i.e. what is the event worth to the local community. Being a rural Council events attract visitors, visitors spend money in town. The multiplier effect for Tourism of new money coming into town is worth 1.8 times. For every $$ spent it is worth $1.80 to our community.
It was suggested last year that my estimate of the economic value for Minerama was too low at $100k and I think that this is probably true. I am endeavouring to come to a more accurate figure for this year. As an example, several years ago the Celtic Festival was estimated to be worth $1.4m to the Visitor Economy.
Emmaville Gemfest is another event held in the Glen Innes Severn area. The Gemfest Committee were given a Donation of $1000 for the 2015 event from Council---remembering that it had not been held for a number of years. As well the VIC undertook 2 weeks of Social Media advertising to support the Show. The Emmaville Sheep Races have also been given $2000 for their event the week following Minerama and this will be backed up with Social Media advertising from the VIC.
Council has a number of ways other than direct financial support that events, festivals and programs can be assisted and the VIC is always happy to assist where possible.
TRIPS
Yes there are inevitably those who do not follow the instructions and make life difficult and yes we have challenges to meet at the Show. However the vast majority of our patrons and visitors are appreciative of the event and we love having them.
Waterloo Station
I wonder unless the area is personally known by the previous Poster, whether it really matters whether the fossicking is going to take place on the first or second bend of the Wellingrove Creek at Waterloo Station. Les Beeching has been to the location and worked with the farm manager to select a suitable area. The specific area is offered by the owners and took some discussion to have them come on board again after the previous challenges. The area will be mowed and marked and for this year only 30 people will be allowed onsite. Next year that could be increased depending on the success of this year.
For the Matheson site check the details in my previous post and the details and photos will be uploaded by Monday. Matheson probably should read probably Wellingrove and is a New Site for 2016. In fact it is just west of the Wellingrove Fossicking Reserve on private property. Look to fixing that next year. I will make an amendment on the Website.
Pretty Valley....yes unusual to say boundary to boundary. I will check and look for a more accurate description.
Largest Show in NSW...I am happy to acknowledge that there are other shows that have more traders, visitors etc., but it is my understanding that Minerama is by far the largest that also includes Fossicking Trips along with Traders and Visitor etc. It maybe a moot point but a defining one. If anyone is able to shed some light on this point I would ensure that future Minerama Fossicking, Gem and Jewellery Show advertising is adjusted.
There are many Experienced Fossickers in the area who were willing to lead Field trips but when you are ignored or given a hard time for your input and effort ... Then why Bother
I can only comment on my experience over the past 3 years...if there are many experienced fossickers who are willing to lead field trips please share their names...the Committee would welcome their assistance. Some unfortunately are not able to volunteer within the scope of the duties of a Leader for the benefit of the tag along fossickers.
Field trip leaders are to be just that...being a LEADER, providing advice, help, assistance to those who are on the trips that day. We have received complaints from fossickers in the past that the leader was hardly seen and was off doing their own fossicking.
The Committee's priority is to ensure that fossickers have a great time and want to come back next year and to bring their friends. One bad experience and you have to think twice.
Next Years 2017 Festival will carry out another Visitor Survey. This will make it our 3rd Survey and we will have good data to work towards making Minerama better. I am currently working on a 2016 - 2020 Strategic/Business Plan to drive the Show forward. All input as to how the show can be improved will be welcome. Obviously ensuring great fossicking sites is imperative. With 6 new sites this year we have taken notice of one of the challenges being faced.
Peter Teschner
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Odd thing the first page of Conditions and Terms are both empty, you have to scroll to page 2.
More puzzling is that no conditions are listed that apply to the fossicking field trips.
One size fits all does not always fit well. 8)
Leah
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Jimnyjerry...thanks for the post I have asked the Software Booking Company to let me know why not showing up. The reason you also see Celtic Festival Information is that the Booking System is used for all our events not just Minerama. So information in some areas has to be general and should be ignored. I will work to make that more relevant and generalised. Leah is correct sometimes one size does not fit all
Peter
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Thank you for this lengthy response - this is the kind of engagement that I think many are looking for. I definitely think it is possible for all of us to work together to improve ANY kind of event so please take the comments posted here as constructive feedback. Continued communication here and elsewhere would be greatly appreciated.
The Visitor Economy is the strategic element - i.e. what is the event worth to the local community. Being a rural Council events attract visitors, visitors spend money in town. The multiplier effect for Tourism of new money coming into town is worth 1.8 times. For every $$ spent it is worth $1.80 to our community.
It was suggested last year that my estimate of the economic value for Minerama was too low at $100k and I think that this is probably true. I am endeavouring to come to a more accurate figure for this year. As an example, several years ago the Celtic Festival was estimated to be worth $1.4m to the Visitor Economy.
:-[ This suggestion probably came from me - I know I was a bit cheesed at the time at the calculations.
The figures presented in the Council business paper were actually as follows based on my admittedly slightly stroppy email at the time:
Figures presented:
Event No.Visitors Economic Value
Australian Celtic Festival 3,800 $1.4m
Minerama 2,000 $80,000
Glen Innes Show 3,000 $100,000 (estimated)
This works out to be $368 per Celtic Festival visitor and only $40 per Minerama visitor - based on your 1.8 multiplier you are estimating a spend of just over $200 for the Celtic Festival and just over $20 for the Minerama visitor.
I dont mind admitting that I found that estimate way off base given that you have two large dealers who operate out of this town (ourselves and Gemhunters Haven) - we both live here and spend locally without accounting for any of the accommodation and daily incidentals.
I will acknowledge (and have done here a number of times) that the job is challenging but constructive feedback is given in the hope that the event will continue to grow - not go the other direction.
cheers
leah
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Thank you for the feed back Glen :)
It was very enlightening.
As to "Pretty Valley....yes unusual to say boundary to boundary. I will check and look for a more accurate description."
That is incorrect. The trip referred to was Trip 8: Fernbrook.
Cheers,
Jerry
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This works out to be $368 per Celtic Festival visitor and only $40 per Minerama visitor - based on your 1.8 multiplier you are estimating a spend of just over $200 for the Celtic Festival and just over $20 for the Minerama visitor.
I dont mind admitting that I found that estimate way off base given that you have two large dealers who operate out of this town (ourselves and Gemhunters Haven) - we both live here and spend locally without accounting for any of the accommodation and daily incidentals.
I agree Leah that figure of $40 is way low.
For a fossicker start with the cost of 6 to 7 days of accommodation, fuel, shopping, breakfasts and dinners either bought and cooked or eaten out. And that is without any field trips.
Then there are the dealers with at least 4 days and then the day trippers and locals.
Cheers,
Jerry
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Wonder why the Local Gem Club doesn't want to get involved ::)
One of the locations is owned by a glen innes Lapidary club member.
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This works out to be $368 per Celtic Festival visitor and only $40 per Minerama visitor - based on your 1.8 multiplier you are estimating a spend of just over $200 for the Celtic Festival and just over $20 for the Minerama visitor.
Wow would of been happy to spend $20 for our visit to Minerama in 2014 ,but I think we would have been closer to a $2000 spend when we consider fuel,accomodation,meals and products bought from traders etc
As well as money spent on the road travelling to and from ,fuel and meals etc
And we didn't get to do Feild trips in the three days we attended as the sites listed for those days where not that impressive
More than happy to spend our tourist dollars in small towns as we love the region and hope that events like Minerama continue in to the future
Will be there this year if time permits
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When I initially questioned the economic benefit figures, this was part of the response:
"I have spoken to at least 10 business operators in the CBD and the primary response is that they see no upturn in turnover when Minerama is on. "
Based on this and the estimated economic benefit to the community, the event was lucky to get the support from council that it did. And it was a primary reason why support was withdrawn from the smaller events such as Gemfest.
Minerama is a different event to the Celtic Festival so some businesses that may do well there might not do quite as well during Minerama - conversely, other businesses do well and appreciate the extra visitors in town that weekend. And that is without considering at all two local businesses who are also relevant dealers (although Aussie Sapphire does not actually operate AT the show, we certainly get extra $$ from visiting customers - thank you to those who trek out to our warehouse to say hello and maybe get some gear).
Perhaps part of the problem is that many of the Celtic Visitors are very visible. If you are a Minerama visitor and are shopping in our newly upgraded main street, feel free to tell the shop owner that you are visiting for Minerama so they know about it and can appreciate that the event DOES benefit our town as well as hopefully being fun to attend.
There are also some interesting shops OFF the main street - the lady visitors who might appreciate something a bit quirky are recommended to visit the Knick Knackery. We have two good second hand book shops. Now have a new greengrocer so you can get fresh produce (fresher than Woolies or Coles) at really cheap prices. Fantastic coffee and fresh strawberries at the Super Strawberry - at the very least take a jar of home made jam home with you.
Aussie Sapphire certainly welcomes all of you to Glen Innes in March and look forward to seeing as many of you as possible.
Leah
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The Visitor Economy is the strategic element - i.e. what is the event worth to the local community. Being a rural Council events attract visitors, visitors spend money in town.
During last years Gemfest, EVERY source of accommodation in town was taken. Both pubs & the caravan park was FULLY booked out. The local community benefited greatly from the influx of visitors that also benefited Glen Innes, Inverell & Deepwater areas.
IF the Visitor Economy is the strategic element then surely just by the success of Gemfest, funding MUST be increased to show that benefit.
It has been rumored that Tailgaters are not allowed to camp by their tables & must book into a hotel / caravan park. What is the truth about this rumor?
It is fine for inside traders to stay in hotels BUT due to security concerns, tailgaters should NOT be expected to leave their valuable goods left unattended.
I did suggest to have Minerama moved to the showgrounds as it has all the facilities set up including undercover areas, toilets, showers, powered sites, etc but this was met with "it will never happen". I wanted to make Minerama the Australian version of Tucson which brings in millions of $$ to the economy by inviting o/s traders. In doing so, visitor numbers would be huge & really put us on the Fossicking World Map.
When visitors come here for Minerama they tend to stay around for at least a week. In years past, there used to be Field Trips for 7 days which were all very well attended. The 4 days of trips last year were a huge success & from the comments I received, everyone was thankful. I didnt get ANY negative responses. Having the Sheep Races the following weekend, some people stay around to attend that & look around for places to go to exploring the region. We had over 1000 ppl attend the races last year of which maybe 25% had come up for Minerama.
By going to places like Lismore & advertising Minerama there, dealers WILL come which was proven by last years increase in numbers of dealers. Some of whom had never heard of Minerama when I spoke to them.
To advertise in the local area is fine BUT more needs to be done to let ALL Lapidary / Faceting Clubs know about this event. We have had visitors from all states as well as overseas due to "word of mouth" & social media (websites & Facebook) we MUST ensure everything is done to keep them coming back year after year.
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beers Very well said Lord_Thunda... :D.. According to the website, There is NO Camping on site and they recommend you stay in a motel or as such..... I am talking about Traders here, not the Public.... The Showgrounds would be the Best site to bring back the Atmosphere it once had.... Larger Area with good facilities and Undercover... Both Better for the Public and Traders.....
Back in the 70s and 80s Minerama was THE EVENT.. I have been reading old Lapidary Mags from the 60s through to the 90s and Minerama was mentioned in every issue in some way.... Now you are lucky to even find the Event mentioned in the Mags that are out there these days...... It's a shame that Things have changed..... Maybe the Powers to Be may make a few changes after getting some Feedback... And make Future Mineramas an Event not to be Missed...
Thank-you Peter for the insight to the way Minerama is run... ::) We know that keeping everyone Happy is not an easy job...
If the Guides want to be known then they shall Speak-up cause im not in the position to name Them 8) But I am sure after a few changes These Experienced Guides may want to lead again.....
As for $40 per day.... I Wish I could do Mimerama on that amount... Try finding Accom for that price, never alone Eating, Field Trips, Fuel to get there and back and purchasing a few Goodies as well.... I know it costs me about $600 to Attend for 3 or 4 days... Double if my Missus wants to come ::)..... So Time for a review of the Figures I think.... ???
And Thank-you to the Member of the Gem Club for putting his Property up this year... now for more owners to come forward ..... Lets make sure we are all invited back next year.....
And We Do the Right Thing..... ;)
Gemster..... beers
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Nicely said Gemster. beers
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It has been rumored that Tailgaters are not allowed to camp by their tables & must book into a hotel / caravan park. What is the truth about this rumor?
No sense in spreading rumours - if anyone has a concern or query about this specific issue, it is best directed to the event organisers so you know exactly what the deal is.
Cheers
Leah
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I prefer to stay out of this discussion, but there are a few things I think I can clear up.
Minerama didn't start up in the 60's or 70's. It was in 1990 and was held at the Glen Innes Showground for 10 years.
This was an expensive option as we had to hire tables and chairs from Coffs Harbour, employ a security service for each night and hire the showground for the duration. We had to charge attendees to get in and it took a heap of volunteers to look after the 2 gates which needed to be open. Even then we couldn't keep out all sorts of people who had other arrangements at the showground, for example horse riders and other campers who had nothing to do with the show. There were problems with showers and rubbish collection. There was no phone on site (no mobiles then) so we had to pay to get a temporary Telstra phone put in otherwise we had no way to call police, ambulance etc etc.
The committee members and their friends were basically the entire work force. No council involvement then.
No wonder the committee members from those days have all passed on (except me, and I'm hoping to be around for some time yet).
I was committee chairman from 1991-2002or3. I organised the field trips from the beginning until 2000 and something; I managed to expand them to 5 days (Thursday-Monday).
Congratulations to all those who have kept this great event going. May it go on for many years to come.
John Paix (retired from all this stuff and enjoying it)
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Thank you for that info John.
Yes - it came up a couple times to move back to the showground when we were on committee and when we looked at costs, it was prohibitive compared to current arrangements. No reason why it cant be looked at again (good to keep an open mind) but cost and need for far more volunteers was a problem we could not work out how to manage at the time and decided to stick with RSL Club.
Cheers
Leah
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It has been rumored that Tailgaters are not allowed to camp by their tables & must book into a hotel / caravan park. What is the truth about this rumor?
No sense in spreading rumours - if anyone has a concern or query about this specific issue, it is best directed to the event organisers so you know exactly what the deal is.
Cheers
Leah
Not a rumour see http://www.minerama.com.au/stallholders-information/
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Well the Lapidary Magazine I have here at home speaks of A Minerama and its dated 1972
There seems to be some Event back in those days that was held in Glen Innes along the lines of Minerama.... My Father used to come down to Glen Innes for some Gemstone Event back in the mid- late 70s...... or that was what he told us he was doing anyhow ;) ;D ;D
Seriously tho, On one of those occasion that he went, Was My first time in Glen Innes... I can still remember the big Chunk of Glass( Topaz) I found in a creek and said Why would anyone break bottles around here and threw it towards my Father to have a look at. He said yeh and put it in his pocket..... That night he told me what it was.....;D
Gemster..... beers
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It has been rumored that Tailgaters are not allowed to camp by their tables & must book into a hotel / caravan park. What is the truth about this rumor?
Not a rumour see http://www.minerama.com.au/stallholders-information/ (http://www.minerama.com.au/stallholders-information/)
If I remember correctly, that is the same wording that has been used for some years now and is simply there to say that there are no camping facilities - ie. no showers and limited toilets. Outside traders have been permitted in the past to camp with their goods on the understanding that no facilities are provided.
There MAY be a change in that situation this coming year but as I mentioned, that should be checked with those organising the event.
However, the wording is same as previous years. That particular sentence was put in when the RSL Club stripped out their bathroom that was used in previous years - we put it in so that traders would be aware that facilities that were previously available were no longer there.
It is not necessarily a conspiracy - if rules on this have changed, then PLEASE clarify with the organisers - no need for panic until you know for sure.
cheers
Leah
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COMMENT
"There are no camping facilities on site. Traders are encouraged to consider using one of the many other accommodation options available. Vehicles are not permitted in the Services Club car park. A loading and unloading bay is provided."
The statement is an advisory factual statement i.e. there are no camping facilities where people can shower, wash etc. The Committee has never stopped any outside traders from camping beside/with their stalls. The same wording has been used last year and in previous shows without any fanfare.
Endorsing a rumour and broadcasting it without first checking is irresponsible. The 4 member Minerama Committee works hard from one show to the next amid sometimes challenging circumstances. Better to check and support rather than create doubt.
Peter Teschner
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BOOKING OF FOSSICKING TRIPS ONLINE
http://www.minerama.com.au/fossicking/field-trips/
Book online directly with Glen Innes Visitor Information Centre. When you go to the website please follow the instructions as below. They are also outlined on the booking site: -
1. Click the Highlighted Blue Blocked BOOK ONLINE button. (This opens in a new window to allow you to refer to these instructions.)
2. At the top of the web page there are 2 tabs, Accommodation & Activities. Click on Activities. (Field trips are listed here.)
3.Scroll down the list to select the field trip you want to book.
4.Click the Book button next to the event. Pop up box will appear.
5.Using the calendar, enter the date of the field trip.
6.Select number of guests – adults & children.
7.Click Add to cart or Book now if this is the only event you are purchasing. You will be taken to a secure web page to complete the purchase.
8.Please complete the form and click on the Pay now button.
NB...It is important to select the date of the Tour
Day 1 Thur 10th Mar
Day 2 Fri 11th Mar
Day 3 Sat 12th Mar
This year we have a Shopping Basket on the Booking Page so you can book multiple trips and only have to enter payment details once.
If in doubt the Visitor Info Staff are more than happy to assist you. 02 67302400
Peter Teschner
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FURTHER UPDATE
7 OAKS FIELD TRIP.
Field Trip 9.
7 Oaks Family Fossicking. Equipment supplied. Supervision for novice fossickers. A well known fossicking park this private venture will be bringing a special load of wash in for Minerama. Look for sapphire, zircon, black spinel. 38 Rickeys Lane 53 Kms from Glen Innes. Drive West on Gwydir Hwy towards Inverell. Turn right on Long Plain Lane. At T intersection turn left then turn right at Kings Plains/ Swanbrook Rd. After 10.5 kms turn left on to Rickeys Lane and drive down to 7 Oaks. Proceed with caution to the fossicking area on Frasers Creek. Picnic tables/ camp kitchen area in shade. Please take all rubbish with you. Bush toilet available.
Peter Teschner
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Peter, :)
I presume as in years gone by that the individual field trips will start about 8.50 am in the RSL carpark and then be led out at staggered times in convoy to there separate destinations.
Have not been for Minerama since 2013 so just checking for confirmation.
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Jimnyjerry.....Ticket sales start about 7:30am each day for those who have not bought online. The latest should be no later than a 9:15 start. Back about 3pm.
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Hi Peter,
I was merely after confirmation as I talk to traders & they were told to find alternate accommodation this year. I just wanted to find out for sure either way so thank you for the response. I had tried to call to find out but never got a reply so figured this was the best way to confirm or deny so if I caused any problems I apologize.
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X2 Lord_Thunda, Sorry.... I was also told by some traders the same so that's where I was coming from. :-X... It would be a real bummer if the Sleeping with your Rocks ever went from the Event..
Anyhow We All know where we are off to now... Thank-you Peter for keeping us informed about Minerama.....
I miss sitting around after a day's trading, Having a couple of Beers and a catch-up :D
Mmmm Maybe Next year :P
Gemster..... beers
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Obviously a storm in a teacup.
No change to the wording on the website AND the application form. Outside trader form clearly states that camping facilities are NOT provided but traders may remain on site for the duration of the event for security purposes. This is the same as it has been for some years.
Anyone concerned about this sort of stuff, just go to the committee for clarification. There is no need for panic.
cheers
Leah
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No lost my last post.
Best field trips to go on? would love to find least one cutter, why doing the fieldtrips then just free spots.
Have a heap of feed back and suggestions so if peter want to contact me , please do so.
As i emailed the minerama website weeks ago on this with its reply about 2 week ago that its now on the website. yes a paragraph on each site is great, we are travelling, what gear do we need. There needs to be maps, help for newbies who don't know what to do , stone identification etc
Im trying to co-ordinate a few of us from the Hunter valley gemmology club to come. and Im sure some of the Newcastle lapidary guys will also.
we helped out the inverell club by coinciding our club fieldtrip to their open weekend. we all had a great time, especially the 4wd Rhodonite trip and our ladies night out wire wrapping. Get the other NSW lapidary and gemmology clubs on board , in doing so will need more fieldtrips and different stones, their is so many beautiful stones in and around this area. Also don't remember any real demostrations and classes available at the show either.
Leah , will Aussie sapphires be open to the public again that weekend?
Has the fernbrook question been answered? wondering on this spot. Is gold possible? which creek ?
for Thursday morning whats the plan, seem the show starts friday?
Will check out Johns blog, ( thanks for the link),
but yeah any more information would be great on what spots could show good results. was disappointied in the fieldtrip we joined last year, just hope this year is better.
Thanks
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Leah , will Aussie sapphires be open to the public again that weekend?
Thanks
Yes - we will definitely be open over the weekend as usual for Minerama.
Youngest son has a tennis tournament in Inverell on Sunday that we would normally be at but we will be imposing on the Grandparents to handle that family duty so we can be open and ready for business.
Usually open around 8am in the morning and close up about 4pm in the arvo for the actual Minerama days - outside of the Minerama days (Fri-Sat-Sun), just email first to arrange a time.
Feel free to email your orders through in advance for quick pickup - often that can be helpful for clubs who want to stock up on bulky stuff like bags of grit or whatever. You can order online and use Store Pickup or just email through your shopping list - can always add to the order if needed.
Look forward to seeing as many visitors as possible - weather should be great.
cheers
Leah
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Leah will try to drop in Friday morning at 8 am to buy a few things before my field trip starts.
All the best,
Jerry
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Leah will try to drop in Friday morning at 8 am to buy a few things before my field trip starts.
All the best,
Jerry
No worries - see you then.
cheers
Leah
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Great. Will let the crew know. Probably be Sunday arvo for us before we go home.
Should i pack wetsuit pants? know there was some leeches last year.
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Great. Will let the crew know. Probably be Sunday arvo for us before we go home.
Should i pack wetsuit pants? know there was some leeches last year.
No worries - see you then.
Wetsuits might be a good idea although the water temp should be fine. I know some people swear by Vicks Vaporub to keep the leeches away. Bit of a smell but maybe worth a try.
Not all places have them and not all are attacked - I know I was always left along pretty well on the Reddestone Creek when paddling with the kids but others were not so lucky.
good luck wherever you end up digging.
cheers
Leah
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West of Glen Innes you get the leeches.
To distract the leeches you need bait, voluntary or otherwise
So select someone to act as bait. ;D
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The Leaches are on every street corner where I live :D
Seriously tho the Idea about Vicks Vapour rub sounds like it might be worth a try on leaches .... At least your nose will stop running if it doesn't ;D
Gemster...... beers
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I know that leeches can't stand aeroguard. This is not an advertisement.
Cheers,
colza
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Lol priceless.
Any suggestions for Thursday's line up of places to go ? Red farm is the only one from the website pictures that looks like it has a decent amount of creek water. But its downstream from the free fossicking area boo.
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Red farm is the only one from the website pictures that looks like it has a decent amount of creek water. But its downstream from the free fossicking area boo.
Others will know more about all the locations but what in particular is putting you off about Red Farm? It is downstream of the free area but much of that general area has not been worked over quite as thoroughly as some other areas in the district. It is a site that is NOT the free fossicking area and not freely available to fossickers - I think it should be judged independently and not seen as the same as the free site. It is not like if you dont do well at one site, then another one further downstream is going to be just as bad - it might be heaps better.
Going by the map coords provided, it is 2km away from the free site as the crow flies - further going along the creek-line so that is a reasonable distance to make it a completely separate site.
Having said that, I am not familiar with that particular area and will leave it to others to give feedback on it.
Cheers
Leah
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The free area at Glencoe highway crossing is all bottomless basalt boulders, so far as I can see. Red Farm is (hopefully) in the underlying granite country with real bedrock and (again, hopefully) lots of traps. There was a lot of sapphire mining in that area, but the rocky places tended to be left by the machine miners. Backhoes don't make much progress through granite boulders, but they are just what the hand miner (ie, us) is looking for.
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A round up of the trips. If it is a new spot then you will only find out what is there by going on the trip.
Field Trip 1. Matheson (near Wellingrove) - NEW SITE FOR 2016
Working in a bit of gully with dam water for washing. So expect to dig (?) and wash in dam.
Field Trip 2. “Red Farm” Glencoe - NEW SITE FOR 2016 Pictures seem good.
Field Trip 3. Pretty Valley “Rozedale” - VISITED BEFORE Pretty Valley is always a good dig. :) Expect to get very muddy. ;D
Field Trip 4. Waterloo. (NEW SITE 2016 Used many years ago) Hopefully not too dug over from the big groups that hit it before. Leeches and no shade.
Trip 5. Glen Elgin “Aroona Glen” - NEW SITE 2016
Trip 6. Yarrow Creek “Glenora” - A property on Yarrow Ck from previous field trips. Results depend on where one can go.
Field Trip 7 “Crossmaglen” Have not been but Lord Thunder had good reports from previous trips.
Trip 8. Fernbrook. Another property on Yarrow Ck from previous field trips. Results depend on where one can go.
TRIP 9 7 Oaks - Never been but hear good reports.
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As Jerry said, Crossmaglen is a place I ran trips over the past 3 trips. You will find leaches there in the creek amongst sapphires & spinel. There used to be a pic of a sapphire that was found there on the Minerama website but I dont see it now. Could be time to try out the Vapor Rub & Aeroguard as there were tiger leaches there last year.
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Hi
Thanks for the comments,
did crossmaglen last year and yes was leeches. But we didn't find a heck of a lot.
Just trying to work out sites, if most who said are going are mostly ladies so need easy creek digging, washing and some trees around.
Does Pretty Valley have tree coverage? or much water? Can't tell from the pictures.
And with pre booking , if the weather is raining cats and dogs, do we get a refund? Might ring up the tourist center.
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Hi
Thanks for the comments,
did crossmaglen last year and yes was leeches. But we didn't find a heck of a lot.
Just trying to work out sites, if most who said are going are mostly ladies so need easy creek digging, washing and some trees around.
Trip 5 Glen Elgin and trip 9 7 Oaks would have toilets.
Yarrow Creek trips 6 and 8 would have plenty of water and bushy areas.
Does Pretty Valley have tree coverage? or much water? Can't tell from the pictures.
Enough water to sieve in or fall in (I know). Usually wear chest high waders.
Has trees and bush in a lower area down the creek, it is out of sight in right hand corner of first pic and in a lower part of the creek http://www.minerama.com.au/fossicking/field-trips/ (http://www.minerama.com.au/fossicking/field-trips/)
And with pre booking , if the weather is raining cats and dogs, do we get a refund? Might ring up the tourist center.
If before 30 days of event you can get 50% back, after that none.
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Pre-book and :o NO REFUND you are kidding me . >:(.... That's WHY you don't Pre-book.... Better pray it's fine weather cause if not, could be a few issues.....
Thanks Jimnyjerry for the kind of info that should have been told a while ago by the Organisers.....
Gemster..... beers
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Pre-book and :o NO REFUND you are kidding me . >:( .... That's WHY you don't Pre-book.... Better pray it's fine weather cause if not, could be a few issues.....
Thanks Jimnyjerry for the kind of info that should have been told a while ago by the Organisers.....
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It is on the webpage
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For those who are not familiar with Pretty Valley and the Yarrow Creek sites, there are numerous references in my blogs and video playlist. I won't repeat any of it here. Just click on the link below for the blog list and on any of my videos for a video playlist. They are searchable. All the video links also appear in the blog index.
With regard to - shall I say, the nontoilet facilities at Pretty Valley. The problem is that people will go right down the valley past the obvious fossicking places. By so doing they deprive everyone else of privacy. I might add that I've never found much down there anyhow, though (it being Pretty Valley) you ought to get some zircon, sapphire, black spinel and tourmaline in every sieve almost anywhere except in recently deposited mud. There are places where you will come across the dark, gritty material similar to the best wash you used to be able to find up near the road; however it isn't as productive as the wash in the main area. On the other hand, the chance of finding nice quartz is the same anywhere since it isn't concentrated by the action of flowing water in the same way the gem minerals are.
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TOILET FACILITIES - I will confirm on Monday for each site.
Peter Teschner
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Its getting close so hold your excitement ;)
We get calls each year about our Trading arrangements during Minerama.
Aussie Sapphire will be open 8-4 Friday, Saturday and Sunday - outside these days, please make an appointment by emailing or calling.
Look forward to catching up with customers and ALF members.
This year's must have "freebie" is our new Stubbie Holder 8)
Please note that if you require larger Machines (eg. cabbing machines, larger saws, etc) we do need some advance notice as these require assembly and we will be working on normal weekend orders as well as dealing with extra Minerama visitors.
Assembly and testing does take time so to save disappointment, please let us know in advance.
We encourage customers to order online and select store Pick Up so we can have your order ready for you to pick up. Or you can just email your list through to us and we can set the items aside for you. This is a great opportunity to pick up stuff that is heavy to post and save on shipping cost so check if you need to stock up on tumbling grit, media or anything like that. Happy to do up club orders as well so check if you club needs restocking on some essentials before you leave.
Weather is looking great so look forward to seeing lots of visitors over the weekend.
Cheers
Andrew and the Aussie Sapphire team.
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TOILET FACILITIES - I will confirm on Monday for each site.
Peter Teschner
It is now the end of Tuesday. Confirmations ::)
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TOILETS -
Trip 5 - Glen Elgin on Fri and
Trip 9 - 7 Oaks on Sat.
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ONLINE FIELD TRIP SALES www.minerama.com.au
Please note that Online Field Trip Sales will cease on Tuesday Night 8th Mar about 9pm. However Field Trip Sales will be available from the King George Oval Site Marquee (behind the Glen Innes and District Services Club) from 8am Thur, Fri and Sat for a 9am departure.
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UPDATE ON POPULAR FIELD TRIPS
Max 50 Fossickers Per Site
Fri - Field Trip 6 - Glenora Yarrow Creek
Sat - Field Trip 7 - Crossmaglen
Sat - Filed Trip 8 - Fernbrook
Fri - Field Trip 4 Waterloo Station Max 30 Fossickers starting to fill quickly.
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Have any places been set aside for those unable to book online? From previous experience, there is always a line up of ppl wanting to go on trips & lining up only to be told they have been sold out.
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Getting close to packing and traveling time. 8)
Here is to some cool dry weather for Minerama. beers
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Woohoo! All packed! Travelling up tomorrow!! ;D ;D ;D
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:'( :'( I can't go..... The Gemster is still looking for a new nest... Maybe next year ....
Have fun and a Safe trip for All.... :'( :'( May the Stones be with you...... :(
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Here is to some cool dry weather for Minerama. beers
Weather is looking great for the weekend. Not too hot.
cheers
Leah
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Looks like plenty of fossickers in town. The Info Centre been flat out all day. Some Traders already in town ready to set up on Thursday morning for Fri/Sat/Sun trading.
Lots of interest in Fossicking Trips. Be at King George Oval behind the Services Club from 8:00am Thur/Fri/Sat to buy your tickets if you do not have them yet.
About 10 tickets left for Sat Night Dinner. Call Julie and Vanessa on 67321355...but hurry.
Travel safe and enjoy the time in Glen Innes.
Peter Teschner
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Have just had an email from a visitor wondering if someone going on the FERNBROOK Field Trip could offer a lift for two people - they are willing to contribute some money for petrol.
If anyone can help with this, I can give you their contact details.
cheers
Leah
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I'm one of the ladies looking for a ride to Fernbrook and back. After 8.45pm this evening (Wednesday) I'll be contactable on 0405 022 468.
Thanks for posting this for me!
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Just setting up our Clearance Bargains table.
Specials include new Diamond Pacific Pixie with Saw for $2500, new Diamond Pacific Bigfoot with Saw for $2200, display (unboxed but new) Cabking for $1850 and lots more.
These are not listed online - first in, best dressed so check it out at the Aussie Sapphire warehouse.
cheers
leah
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For those lucky enough to be at Minerama :'( :'( not me :'( :'(
I just read in the latest Gold, Gem & Treasure mag a Fellow who visited 7 Oaks recently found 4 Diamonds amongst his other usual goodies..... So keep an eye out in your Sieves for something nice other than Sapphire and Zircon..... ;D
Gemster...... beers
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MINERAMA UPDATE
Most reports indicate a great Minerama. A couple unhappy Fossickers on some trips which we will certainly look at and see how to improve or determine if complaints are reasonable.
Interesting email in this morning from a CBD Business thanking the Committee for a great Festival. Now that has never happended before. As a result I visited 4 other shops and the same response. So to the Visitors and Fossickers in Town for Minerama, thank you for moving about the town and spending to increase our Visitor Economy. We also had a couple of other events happening "Men At Glen, Glencoe Camp Draft, Beyond Blue Car Rally, Swim carnival and radio controlled off road vehicle racing"...but feedback from most shops was that they were here for Minerama.
Stats in this morning indicate 57,419 FaceBook reach and 5965 photo engagements and over 300o ALF blogger views.
Feedback welcome so that we can review and evaluate for 2017. I am off to Lismore in May to have at look at their event. Thoughts are welcome on any other event that you consider is run well that we can visit or discuss to improve Minerama
Now to see what we can do to estimate the value to the Visitor Economy. Leah (Aussie Sapphires) sent some relevant info in this morning for evaluation.
Peter Teschner
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I went to Lismore 2 years ago & invited dealers to come to Minerama. Most didnt know about it so it would be worth taking some brochures to pass around the dealers there. To have the entire oval full of dealers would certainly bring in the crowds. Overseas dealers also go to Lismore in small numbers but there is the opportunity to have more here in Glen. I did meet a gentleman selling Lapis in Lismore. He was doing a roaring trade.
Some interesting stats from Tucson showing the economic impact on the area that could be useful. http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/28092154/new-study-reveals-economic-impact-of-gem-show-on-tucson
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A couple unhappy Fossickers on some trips which we will certainly look at and see how to improve or determine if complaints are reasonable.
Since Time began there will be certain complaints about Fossicking trips - many are from those that just expect it to be easy and that's not the case. We commercially mined for a long time and I was unhappy many times at the end of a long hard mining day but I also got lots of good days.
If you expect results in every sieve go to pay dig sites out on a private property - you need to work and have skills to find gem bearing material and even then there is a lot of dirt, rocks and mud mixed with them.
To have the entire oval full of dealers would certainly bring in the crowds.
We should respect the major increase in outside vendors in recent years. It is significant in the last 3 years, I would say the field has gone from a few tents around the outside, then to 1/3 full inside up to easily 1/2 full so lets give credit to the committee and council for this growth which is great to see.
Tucson. Really ?
Attracting more Rough stone Dealers is a great idea but it is foolish to consider or compare any Gem show in Australia to Tucson in the USA - an event run in a large City (population of almost 550,000) at multiple locations for two whole weeks. The Tucson event has grown over many years to what it is today and the city is large enough to support it - a great result for that area. One we can aim at on a smaller scale in Glen Innes but let's be realistic about what can be done in a small town like Glen Innes.
I believe most motels and Caravan parks were booked out.
What is needed for Minerama is realistic objectives, sustainable growth and support from all sectors (visitors, gem clubs, fossickers as well as the local businesses in Glen Innes and the council). Only this way will the committee be able to keep going and hopefully continue to improve the event.
Walk before you run and support what can be achieved.
Always things that can be done better but constant sniping at those who are doing their best to run it just makes it less likely they will want to front up again next year. More importantly, it give the wrong impression to potential visitors that the event is in trouble. There is a lot to like about Minerama and lots of potential to get even better with cooperation from everyone.
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A big thank you to the couple of property owners who opened up new sites for the fossickers. I didn't personally have much luck over the three days but still enjoyed it. My wife and I have been coming for 10 years and clearly a lot of happy people around. Our friends had a stall/display inside the RSL and said the sales the best ever. Bit worried about the SES with medical gear on each trip, are we fossickers getting older.!!!Big thanks to them also. .Stayed at the showgrounds.The only complaint was loos not in the best condition. Once again thanks to the organising committee and others who made it happen.
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It was my first Minerama experience and in general I thought it was outstanding!
The main thing that struck my mate and I was how friendly everyone was on every field trip! Happy to show what they had found, answer questions, and give tips.
I was lucky and found a few good pieces - sapphires and some good little zircons. One good 5 carat sapphire long and clear. My mate found 2 stones over 5 carats on the last day having had NO luck the other 2! (so agree re the perseverance!).
BUT the thing that was most valuable was the learning. The difference between a dig site, looking in a rocky river location, to working a pond. So now when I go to other places by myself I know I'll have a much higher probability of finding stuff!
I thought in general the organisation was good, thought out, safety services on hand. One site I think I was lucky - I was slightly outside the designated area when I found it but with the owners knowledge - nobody else really found anything which given the experience of many of the people was unusual. There was one other trip I know where I was told nobody really found anything - but they seem to be the exception and these were first time sites so you can't blame the organisers (but they should still take the feedback).
I only got a quick walk around the sellers but a great diversity of stuff at good prices.
I can only say I'm already keenly looking forward to next year and would recommend it to anyone!
I'm also raring for Gemfest at Emmaville at the end of the year! ;D ;D ;D
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Good idea Lord_Thunda , Then we could have Minerama at the Show Grounds.. No Toilet problems there.. This Has happened a few years in a row now.... ::) Maybe next year this problem may be fixed.....
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So MrSydney you were the lucky one who went over the wall and snared one .Myself and Lord Thunda shifted yards of gravel and rocks (I presume at the same site)!! for very little reward.In fact LT shifted so much I thought he was on a mission to China.The SES girls sat on the rocks waiting to use their medical kits.!!
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The only complaint was loos not in the best condition.
Heard a complaint from someone else that the portaloos got a bit smelly after a time but who did not actually bother to check inside the club where there are free toilets available for everyone at no charge.
If you are talking about the toilets at the showground, be glad they did not block up like they did at the Show when the whole men's block had to be closed off while the plumbers came and unblocked everything and patched the old inadequate plumbing up best they could.
Got to admit that if there is a choice, I will go for the inside plumbing every single time. Not really sure why someone who is free to walk over the whole area would not go for the inside toilets and grab a nice drink/meal at the same time and leave the portaloos for the emergency trips. If you are only 100m away from the inside toilets, why on earth would you use a portaloo ???
The reason why Minerama has free entry is because the RSL Club supports the event with access to the auditorium, security and all tables/chairs they have on hand. If it goes back to the showground, running costs would increase due to hire of the pavilions + hire of all tables + transport/labour to do this and most likely an entry fee would need to be charged to cover those extra costs. Additionally, the committee does not have enough people on hand to provide the overnight security. This has been discussed a number of times here (including this actual thread) and the reasons given for the change of location. Although we are not on the committee (thank god actually because it seems impossible to please some people), I cannot see any change in those circumstances that would enable a change back.
If Minerama actually manages to grow into a mini-Tucson, perhaps it could be an additional location. Those traders who are really keen to move back could decide to hire a pavilion themselves and go independent. There are options.
Cheers Leah
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Thanks for your realistic comments, Leah. I've made my thoughts known on the showground alternative several times.
Going back a few years, there were times in the morning (when field trips were being organised and I was selling tickets) when the club was still locked. That's when portaloos were invaluable! Perhaps a sign on each portaloo directing people to the club toilets would overcome the (apparent) problem.
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Regarding the porta-loos, they had a smell from day 1 even before the tailgaters were on site. A couple of people lined up waiting for trips to leave commented on them. I know, from past experience on building sites, not much can be done about them as it is a "convenience". As for using the clubs facilities, that is fine during operating hours but the club doesnt open until 9 am during Minerama. Not sure what can be done to improve the porta loo situation.
The tables inside & outside the club for those who needed them were hired if my memory serves me correctly so it makes no difference where they were located. The traders themselves provide security for their gear at the moment so that wouldnt be a problem either.
I do agree about having the additional space at the showground if the signage used for example the Glen Show was utilized as well to inform visitors where more traders were located & as you say, it would be up to those traders to utilize the facilities there if they so wished.
It would give them showers that were not available this year even tho it stated "Showers available at the Glen Innes Visitor Information Centre $5 each payable at time." People were told that they were "out of order" ???
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This is all good feedback which needs to be passed on to the commitee for improvement in future years. I assume you are doing that instead of just posting here because this is stuff the committee needs to know.
In regards to the tables/chairs - by operating at the club, only a small number of extra tables need to be hired. When the show was at the Showground, ALL the tables/chairs had to be hired at significant cost. So it is NOT the same cost but quite a big difference in cost according to those who were involved in that original decision.
But it is pointless arguing about it because neither of us are on the committee and therefore not in a position to change the location.
Your choice is this: go on the committee and argue for that change or start up your own show on your own terms.
Leah
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You would think that no-one has ever read my earlier comments on the showground compared to the Services Club.
A brief summary: Services Club=Rolls Royce. Showground=horse and buggy.
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All these comments are for the Powers to Be to make for a better Event next year... and I know they are reading this on here... It can be and Should be The Event to go to......
As for Portaloo's, When you hire them you should be given a bottle of Chemical to deal with smells... you do up here when you hire them... And while we are talking about Hiring gear, Why not approach the Hire co and offer a deal in Sponsorship for Hire of Gear ... If they won't, there is always Someone else... It's only in their best interest to get on board...
Yes Findem I have read your explanation... but I still think some things could improve... Much prefer RR than Buggy...
Sorry Leah but my Plumbing Experience doesn't cover Toilets. ;D... I see what you mean.. but a great Venue and ideas, all the same..
As for Lord_Thunda getting His Own Event... Don't worry, We have spoken about this over many a Bourbon.... ;)
Gemster..... beers
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Remember The Men@ Glen had their Friday and Saturday get together at the showgrounds...Around 200 of them,plus lots cars and motorbikes. There should be very little smell at all coming from the portaloos if right chemicals are used. It would be pretty easy to work out if the showgrounds would be a cost effective proposition. At the moment the traders are taking up half the oval. When it gets over three quarters full , I think time to look ahead. The plus I see at the moment is less cost overall, plus visitors have a look and then have a walk downtown for a coffee etc.
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Yes - that was the site! He let a young bloke go up a bit further so I figured he couldn't complain if I was a bit back from that as I also had found bugger all everywhere else I had tried.
While 2 other couples found some pieces it was in the area he had happened to mention he had 'seeded' with a few pieces for a tourist group earlier.
While it was a beautiful site - unless he is willing to change the scope of access we shouldn't go back there!
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MrSydney,Agree with your comments on this location. With the amount of boulders, ,ledges etc more stones should have been found. Most were small chips etc ,if that. The owner walked up and down the bank like a spruiker, holding his bag of previously found goodies.!!
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Which location are we talking about?
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Trip #5 - Glen Elgin “Aroona Glen”
[/color]The 6th pic shows the exact place I was in all day. The area to the left, directly under a granite face I found 4 tiny specs of sapphire & 1 zircon. After I'd cleaned all the gravel from there, I spent the rest of the day digging out a "perfect place" where stones "should have" collected. It was under the direct flow of water from the creek. I never found even any spinel in that hole, let alone a glimmer of colour. As Mr Sydney stated, it was a beautiful location BUT, except for directly behind the house, which we were all asked not to go to, hardly any stones were found. [/size]
[/color]I took a lovely Canadian couple in my truck & they loved the scenery & the wildlife. The entire group was a pleasure to be with & I must say a special thank you to the lovely SES girls who were first aid & great company for the day. It was great to have BJM so close to share the experience too. On the drive home, I stopped a number of times to allow my Canadian friends the photo opportunity to see a swamp wallaby & a wedge tail, something most of us take for granted but for o/s visitors, invaluable. [/size]
[/color]I do understand the difficulty of finding places for future trips & thru previous experience of fossicking in many areas can usually tell if they are worth visiting again. It is only by getting feedback, (both good & bad), that ensure future Minerama's use this feedback. [/size]
[/color]Overall, the other trips I attended (Pretty Valley & Crossmaglen) were excellent & the only way to expand my knowledge is to go to new sites & give an honest opinion. If they are good, I will highly recommend them, if not, I am willing to share my experiences & can usually find good points too. [/size]
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LT I agree with your comments on Glen Elgen. Very slim pickings from a creek that from my experience should have been a cracker. Especially when the owner told us it had seen very little if any fossicking .May be MR Sydney let the cat out of the bag by saying the owner had seeded the creek previously. !!However that's Minerama its not all about the finds, but its meeting interesting people,old friends etc.Nice of you to take the Canadian couple with you in your trusty truck..Had they fossicked before.?
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They are on a travelling / fossicking holiday based in Tassie. This was just a short trip but I think they'd definitely loved to have stayed longer.
It is about the people you meet not the finds but to be given the impression that the stones he walked around with were all along the area was false advertising. Just glad every place is not the same & I made up for lack of stones at Crossmaglen.
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Any leeches this year at Crossmaglen?
Slim pickings on all fieldtrips we went on. 3 days , 4 of us and only two tiny sapphires.
Still so sore from moving boulders and digging the amount of wash we did.
Don't know if will be doing fieldtrips through the event in the future. Unless things change and some research is done.We now know Yarrow has been vacuum pumped out. Wouldnt surprise me the same kind of thing for glen elgin area.
Should have just spent the $240 on bags of wash. Still have 2 bags probably find more in them.Found more snakes than Gemstones.
The stalls were great , some great slabs and rough buys.
Indoor loos was 10am unless you were a stall holder. I know i tired. There was a toilet block at the back of the grounds, if anything a sign was needed to highlight them too.
Was happy the lions guys had their BBQ tent cooking breakfast even for the fieldtrips.
Met some lovely people over the trip, and was happy to see some stall holders from last year.
Sorry leah was just too tired and sore to pop in. The clubs going to just order.
If people are looking for a fossicking week but different stones try inverell in October. Whole week's worth of trips.
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Sorry leah was just too tired and sore to pop in. The clubs going to just order.
No worries - postage normally not too bad for most things so no problem to just send stuff. Couple of clubs took the opportunity to pick up large/heavy stuff which is expensive to ship but otherwise we can normally post pretty cheaply.
cheers
Leah
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I saw one on Mr Sydneys' mate & heard of another but didnt get any myself. They were more orange colour not the usual tigers found in there. Out of 4 of us digging in the creek, we all got at least 1 top siever so very happy with Crossmaglen. Moved a lot of rock tho but well worth the effort. Everyone had huge smiles so some good stones found there.
Got the usual small stones from Pretty Valley as well as a good clear smoky.
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Thank you to all for attending Minerama and for participating in the Field Trips. The weather was fine and the feedback is very useful.
Date for Minerama 2017 is March 10,11,12.
It is hoped the Field Trips will be from Thursday to Saturday again (9,10,11 March 2017)
If you have a keen interest in gem hunting and would like to be part of the Minerama Committee, please let us know.
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Talking to the guys at Inverell club last year after their Gemfest. They said new areas are nearly impossible to find for the field trips. Same old , fossicked out areas are not good for getting and retaining new people into fossicking or getting the guys like ourselves to return.
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Thats the major problem bjm. Finding new areas that people can find even small pieces & the occasional cutter. Most people do the right thing but you do get the odd one or 2 that go back after the field trips & ruin it for the rest of us even tho it is always stated that these sites are only accessed thru hard work & negotiations & NOT open to the public after Minerama. (Pay sites being the exception.)
There are a lot of old sites that havent been visited for years & maybe the committee can look at these & negotiate access. If they need someone to visit them & test the viability I'm willing to do so. Nothing worse than going to a new site & not finding anything after travelling so far, apart from the costs involved.
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Check out the Glen Innes Examiner Photo Gallery here:
http://www.gleninnesexaminer.com.au/story/3791257/minerama-photo-gallery/?cs=420
These photos are at the gem show only but we encourage anyone to post any fossicking field trips photos in the ALF Gallery.
cheers
Leah
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