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Fossicking and Rockhounding => Fossicking Locations => Topic started by: Gemster on October 04, 2020, 06:54:04 PM

Title: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Gemster on October 04, 2020, 06:54:04 PM
New Signs have been posted at Torrington and are about to be erected in Stannifer and Tingha....
Parts of Torrington are now closed... Mainly Pacific Copper's area... That means no more Bismuth and Wolfram Hill... All private property now... To access the dam areas you must cross this Private Property and that is Trespassing and you will be Prosecuted for doing so...

Next area now closed is Stannifer and Tingha Plateau Conservation Area... Jellybean Crystals came from this area...

All these Closures have been bought about by those who like to Rape and take everything as well as using Power tools to Fossick...

I would put pics up but its too hard for a Gemster... But believe me, this IS very True... >:(

 Gemster...
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Lapis Lupinus on October 04, 2020, 10:55:51 PM
That's sad to hear Gemster. Don't like it when another place or more is closed off.
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Bucket on October 05, 2020, 08:26:15 AM
Always sad to hear of more areas being closed off for fossicking, too many are for the reasons you've stated Gemster.
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Jimnyjerry on October 05, 2020, 10:13:45 AM
Not good Gemster.  Looking on line at some of the clowns that have been hitting various spots that are clearly labelled as no camping and that have restrictions on them we can expect more to be closed  >:(
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: MALACHI on October 06, 2020, 07:15:31 AM
Such disappointing news.  I can only hope its a temporary measure to stop the campers. :(
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Gemster on October 06, 2020, 10:20:52 PM
Only Yesterday there were 4 groups caught Illegal fossicking in the District... One brazen lot were digging within 40m of a NO FOSSICKING sign...  >:( 

Oh I would love to put the pics up that I have. Faces, rego numbers and ..

 But I think they would be pulled down real quick unfortunately... ::)

 Gemster...
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Gemster on October 08, 2020, 01:21:30 PM
NPWS have turned a blind eye to Stannifer and Tingha for years. But,  it is a Conservation Area and NOT on the Approved list of Conservation Areas where you are allowed to Fossick.

 But every day people are posting their finds on Social Media from that area... Funny how the signs went up 2 days before a Gem event was going to be held there... I know they are watching and the idea of 2 groups of 20 were due there, that has forced their hand...

 Gemster...
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Ranger Itchy on October 10, 2020, 06:34:56 AM
I used to go to Tingha and Stannifer to fossick all the way from Melbourne but now I can't except for the few private properties I have permission to go on, but these alone do not make the 3000 klm round trip worth the money I spend on fuel to get there and back, the camping fees at the caravan park and all the rest of the money I used to spend in these small towns, it is going to be the death nail for these towns on top of the Covid 19 restrictions!


Cheers Ranger Itchy beers beers
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: bjm on October 11, 2020, 06:48:23 AM
Was only in Stannifer a couple of weeks ago.Got a few nice crystals and plenty of jellies.Tingha Cpk will probably dissappear.Owner said he wasnt taking out anybody onto private land anymore.Etc.These areas totally stuffed by tin mining in the past,are fossickers doing that much more damage ? Many parts of Tingha and Stannifer badly damaged by last years fires.Car wrecking yard a burnt out polluting eyesore.Now Torrington closing areas as well.Has there been official notification from NP.?
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Bucket on October 13, 2020, 02:06:50 PM
bjm, it's not necessarily about damage, but on private land it can come down to insurance risk as well. Conservation areas are there for just that, conservation of an area albeit as an old mining area or for its natural beauty. National Parks are no go areas in any state. The idea is either get an area declared as a fossicking area or try and avoid getting it called a National Park, Conservation Area or even a State Park.
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: bjm on October 16, 2020, 06:30:33 AM
Fully aware of legalities re fossicking on private land etc.N.Ps etc However the restrictions are getting so tight that any public fossicking will soon become impossible.Just have to look at the problems Minerama /Inverell Gemfest have  finding nejw fossicking areas.
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: freshhilltopherbs on October 31, 2020, 05:50:45 PM
The problem is that it is not fossicking any more it is all about selling your finds, not adding to your collection. People come from all over the country to take as much as they can get their hands on to sell to recoup fuel ect not to collect for their own collections.
I went to Tingha early this year and was horrified with the destruction I saw. It looked like a war zone, unfilled holes tracks pushed in everywhere, rubbish from campsites, no wonder they have closed it down.
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Ranger Itchy on November 01, 2020, 06:06:11 AM
Hi Guys,


I agree with freshhilltopherbs, GREED drives a lot of fossickers these days, I'm a member on a few Lapidary FB pages and every day there are posts about, I found this, what is it? how much is it worth?


These people are obviously new to lapidary and are only in it for what they can make out of it! most of the time the stuff they are asking about is crap that I wouldn't even glance at, but they ask anyway because they are so desperate to profit from it.


I have found most of these people are either Gen Y, Gen Z, Millennials and the occasional Gen X, I don't know why the younger generations are like this but they have no respect for anything, anyone or themselves. Perfect example is my son, Millennial! he was raised well, taught to respect things, others ect ect, but you walk into his bedroom and it looks like a bomb has gone off in there! There's dirty dishes, discarded food wrappers, dirty clothes, even clean clothes all over the floor! I don't know how he can live like that! It annoys the piss out of me and you ask him to tidy up and he says yeh, yeh later, but it never happens.


Another example is, I drive a garbage truck for a living and have done for the last 35 years. If I take a day off or an RDO and one of the other drivers(Gen Y,Gen Z) does my run, I get in my truck the next day and there are food wrappers on the passenger floor, dirty tissues stuff in the drivers door pocket, for Christ sake have some respect, you're driving a mobile garbage bin! throw it in the back! You go to the tip every day throw it out there! No they leave it where other work! WHY? I think it's because they have no respect for others or themselves!


It's the same out in the bush around fossicking areas, they camp, rape the land, then leave a deposit(rubbish) in return!


It's all about RESPECT and there is none these days, it's every man for himself!


Sorry about the rant, but this topic annoys the hell out of me!


Cheers Ranger Itchy beers
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: swirly on November 01, 2020, 07:26:17 AM
i live in wangaratta vic and spend a lot of time fossicking  in eldorado there plenty of rubbish stolen cars garden clippings being dumped in the bush plus large unfilled holes screaming motor bikes tearing the bush tracks to pieces also four wheel drives doing the same so the problem is not just in nsw.
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: MALACHI on November 01, 2020, 08:09:20 AM
Hi Swirly. So sad to be reading about the dumped cars and huge holes at Eldorado. I haven't been up that way since I caught up with you a couple of years ago.  Its so disappointing that there are ingrates that are doing the wrong thing anywhere in our beautiful bush. I too like Itchy states , believe its the younger generations that have no regard for keeping any space clean. The only thing we older and more responsible visitors of the bush is to remove the the rubbish left behind and fill large holes.


Cheers  beers
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: swirly on November 01, 2020, 12:11:57 PM
we can only do our best.
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Jimnyjerry on November 02, 2020, 08:02:08 AM
Good rant Ranger Itchy :) .  Sadly some people stuff up the bush and fossicking areas for everyone else.
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Dihusky on November 02, 2020, 07:27:00 PM
There was an old saying, 'Leave only memories and footprints' well that's gone.

I see the problems only getting worse, because of the way the economy is going, I see the actions of many of these people who break the rules turning to desperation where they will start raping these areas for anything they think they can turn into a dollar. This won't be just public areas, it will extend to private land, fences being cut, livestock roaming free and land owners turning vigilanty.

We only have to look at the special trips during Minearama, access to private land being granted only to have a few returning as nocturnal pillagers, who can blame the land owners for saying NO!

What is worse, in the Emmaville/Torrigton I have been told that some of the pillagers are locals, but nothing happens so the local economy looses tourism $$$s and they wonder why, can't have it both ways.

Heard today that a number of free camp sites in the Clarence River area are being closed due to similar disrespect, your comments Ranger Itchy are spot on!

Don't know where this will end up, but those doing the right thing are lost!
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Ranger Itchy on November 07, 2020, 05:51:13 AM
The end result will ultimately be that "The many, pay the price for the few"
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Fullerton on November 08, 2020, 10:33:36 PM
I haven't fossicked around Stannifer since the 2011 Brisbane floods when we stayed extra days while roads in the region dried out. I have fond memories of the great jelly beans to be found there (and never sold any of them). I was happy to put money back into the small Tingha community (caravan park, service station, take away store, etc).


It was always near top of my list to get back there but will forgo that with the increasing restrictions  :'( [size=78%]    [/size]
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Gemster on November 15, 2020, 10:34:46 PM
Well I 'heard' some bad/sad news today.... Looks like Torrington is going to be closed to Fossickers...... NPWS are going to ban Fossicking in their section of Torrington... And with Pacific Copper being Private Property, there's not much left that is accessible... Recent fires have also played a big part and its still a mess and no sign of a clean-up happening anytime soon.....

 Gemster...
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: MrSydney on November 17, 2020, 06:40:56 AM
NO!!  What a horror!!
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Charles on November 17, 2020, 11:59:55 AM
would you all keep in mind that National Parks (NSW) have employees who are members of this site. They may approach you in an attempt to compromise you and enable a prosecution. "People"  on this site use made up names. be careful what you say, what you do and with whom. the only "person" you should acknowledge is someone you have met in the flesh, can verify their existence, can establish their credentials, and maybe by meeting them, gain some idea of whether they are trustworthy or not. otherwise they are nothing but dots in cyber space, blots on a digital landscape
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Gemster on November 17, 2020, 03:36:22 PM
Are You saying they have 'Spies' among Us... :o

Good I hope they read this then......  :)

"Start looking after the places that you have been given to look after..... Get your fat bums off your Plush Chairs and start getting out there and start fining these a-holes who are killing our Hobby and STOP the illegal activities in OUR Parks..."

Its pretty easy to 'Catch' them you know, but you actually need to be there to catch them...

Will that help...? :P

I wouldn't mind at all if NPWS wanted to have a 'chat'. I actually have close to 1000 questions for them.. ;)

 Gemster...
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Gemster on November 17, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Yes MrSydney Its very REAL....

There are several names I would love to post on WHO is responsible for forcing this closure, but as Charges are pending and Warrants Outstanding, I think that may compromise their Investigations....  :-X

  Gemster...
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Bucket on November 17, 2020, 06:38:14 PM
Charles, what you say is more than likely true, I have an interest in cars and was a member of many sports car forums. A couple of member thought I was spying on behalf of my employer, Tasmania Police, but I just had an interest in the cars, I did finally convince some that I was there to talk and learn, not spy. I would suggest that there could be members of NPWS that are on this forum, I'd like to think that they're not wasting taxpayers money by listening into conversations that are by hobbyists, they may be here to do as I did, learn and talk rocks.
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Gemster on November 18, 2020, 10:30:40 AM
By posting pics of your Finds, That's how they know what areas to close....

 And yes they are following all sorts of Social Media, and Paid to do it..

We have lots of Spies on another Forum im on... ::)

 Gemster.... beers
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: MrSydney on November 19, 2020, 03:27:22 PM
I know what is happening is real - in some ways I'm not surprised, just sad!  :'(

I think it is good they are on the forums.  They will see most of us are strong supporters of catching this trash and really do want to do the right thing, love the bush, and are respectful of it.  And if they catch someone who DID do the wrong thing off this site then I'm damn glad they did too!

Way overdue for a catch up Gemster - have virtually had no fossicking last 18 months but things finally clicking in to place so should get to do a few more trips next year, and even more from then on.  Hope you are well!

Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Gemster on November 19, 2020, 08:01:30 PM
Yes I agree MrSydney, One of my Q's to them would be, 'Why are those who constantly do the right thing being penalised...

Time for Fossicking Licences to be re-instated with big fines attached for those who choose to conduct their activities Illegally...

It has been too long between Drinks  :P,
Im well but just as stressed as You with No Fossicking for a very long time... ;D
Next Year will be the 'Year of Fossicking"...  ;D

Have you changed Your Email?  PM me your New one... beers

Gemster.... beers
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Gemster on November 28, 2020, 11:37:27 PM
Surveillance Cameras as well as Drones, employed around Torrington SCA and State Forest now.

 Gemster...
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: MrSydney on November 30, 2020, 10:12:48 AM
Wow!!
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: bjm on March 11, 2021, 07:41:19 AM
A friend of mine spent a week recently fossicking in areas of Torrington with a person who actually lives in Torrington and knows the area well and has been fossicking for years.This person said there is a lot of misinformation currently being put out where you can and cannot go to fossick in Torrington.Certain people are giving the impression that drones etc are flying around 24/7,etcetc and you may be arrested ,fined etc.It is true that rangers are on the lookout for illegal commercial  mining etc as happened recently in Inverell.However most private fossickers still have access to most of Torrington other than Bonds old mine.
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Gemster on March 11, 2021, 05:20:27 PM
Yes the Drone part is very true but maybe not 24/7, BUT that's up to those who do the wrong thing which hours these drones operate.....
 Yes they are looking for Anyone  Illegally Fossicking, and
 Yes Charges have been made against one fellow, a long term offender in Torrington....  Cameras have been placed in certain areas as well..
And its Pacific Cooper's area that is a NO go area as it is Private Property...  Even crossing Pacific Coppers Property to access other areas is Trespassing and you will be reported to the  Authorities...   The Owner and The Manager of PC, has had Enough of the blatant Illegal activities and are now Prosecuting those who chose to ignore the Signs...

Trust me when I say the area is Under Constant Surveillance... As I know first hand that it is...

If the illegal actions persist, NPWS and other Government  Departments WILL CLOSE TORRINGTON TO FOSSICKERS...
So really its up to Us to make sure People do the right thing... Or it will end up like Tingha..

 Gemster... beers
Title: Re: Areas now Closed in Nth NSW..
Post by: Aussie Sapphire on March 19, 2021, 09:50:45 AM
There has been a meeting between local gem clubs and Adam Marshall (MP) to discuss this issue recently.


A post about it on the Glen Innes Mineral and Gem Club facebook page.


cheers
Leah